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It seems that AI is better that this stuff than humans. I asked here, got one answer that seemed unreliable.

So asked Perplexity.ai

What Has Happened to People Fired by DOGE?

Thousands of federal workers were abruptly fired by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by Elon Musk, as part of a sweeping initiative to shrink the federal workforce and cut government spending. The affected employees include both probationary workers and others across more than two dozen federal agencies
. The scale of the layoffs is significant: at least 24,000 federal probationary employees were fired, and estimates for total job losses—including buyouts and contractor cuts—range from 100,000 to over half a million in high-layoff scenarios

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Legal Challenges and Reinstatement

A substantial portion of these firings has been challenged in court. An independent federal oversight agency declared the mass firing of probationary workers unlawful, prompting a federal judge to order the reinstatement of about 16,000 employees. However, the Trump administration has appealed this ruling to the Supreme Court, leaving many workers in limbo as they await the outcome

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Are They Finding Other Jobs?
Job Market Difficulties

Many of those fired have struggled to find new employment, particularly in the private sector. The job market for white-collar professionals—where most of these federal workers fit—has softened, with employer demand down since the pandemic. Many report repeated rejections, lengthy interview processes, and even resorting to gig work or starting small businesses to make ends meet

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“Nonstop rejection,” said one former CDC employee. “It’s three rounds of interviews and a writing sample only to get ghosted.” To make ends meet, he started a pressure-washing business

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Job applications from former federal employees have surged dramatically, especially among those from agencies targeted by DOGE. However, the influx of highly educated candidates into a weak job market has made competition fierce, and opportunities remain limited

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State Initiatives and Support

Some states are actively trying to recruit these displaced federal workers. For example, New York Governor Kathy Hochul launched a "You’re Hired" initiative to attract former DOGE-fired employees to state jobs, emphasizing the value of their public service skills. Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin also encouraged laid-off federal workers to seek jobs in the state, highlighting the availability of over 250,000 open positions

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Uncertainty for Many

Many affected workers are still waiting for legal decisions regarding their potential reinstatement and, in some cases, are receiving severance pay. This uncertainty has delayed job searches for some, while others have begun to reskill or consider career changes due to the challenging employment landscape

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Summary Table: Fate of DOGE-Fired Workers
Outcome Details
Awaiting Legal Resolution Many are in limbo, hoping for court-ordered reinstatement
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Struggling in Job Market Facing high competition and low demand for white-collar roles, many report difficulty
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State Recruitment Efforts States like NY and VA are actively recruiting these workers for public sector jobs
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Career Changes & Gig Work Some have started small businesses or are considering reskilling due to job market woes
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Conclusion

Most people fired by DOGE have not yet found stable new jobs. While some are pursuing opportunities in other states or starting over in different fields, a large number remain in a state of uncertainty, awaiting the outcome of legal battles that could see them reinstated to their former positions
. The mass layoffs have created a challenging environment for these workers, both professionally and personally.

"Reduction -in-force, *RIFs come at you fast:🚨OPM in Feb told its entire procurement office they'd be laid off, effective 4/23. 4/21: #DOGE/OPM, concerned they wouldn't be able to buy anything anymore, pushed the RIFs back to 5/23. Today -they sent NEW notices with a 5/2 effective date😵‍💫"
-E Katz

Original coverage of these layoffs:

There is concern for the plight of fed workers, their work, & fired WKRs' future.

#Chaos #Musk #Trump #Unemployment #Trumpcession #USPol

govexec.com/workforce/2025/02/

Government ExecutiveRIF watch: See which agencies are laying off federal workersHere are the agencies where we have confirmed layoffs have taken or are about to take place. We will update as we learn more.

The number of Chinese freight vessels headed to the ports of LA & Long Beach, the top destinations for Asian freight, has dropped sharply.

The trade war b/w China & the US is leading to a demand plummet, & ocean carriers have started to suspend or adjust transpacific services.

“We are at a tipping point on the West Coast,” -logistics expert.

#Tariffs #Trumpcession #Unemployment #Stagflation #Trade #China #USPol

cnbc.com/2025/04/22/busiest-us

CNBCChinese freight ship traffic to busiest U.S. ports, Los Angeles, Long Beach, sees steep dropFreight vessel traffic from China bound for the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach is down sharply as Trump's tariffs and recession fears hit trade.
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“The maintenance of export relations to these countries is a mandatory requirement,”Hamm wrote. If one were to “strangle” #trade through #tariffs, it would endanger German industrial production—which…would inflict severe self-harm on the #economy, & lead to increased #unemployment. “Exporting German goods provides 3 million workers w/jobs.”The last thing Germany’s…still-fragile economy needed was a #TradeWar. Hamm urged #Hitler to exercise “greatest caution”in his tariff policies.
#Trump

"The challenge, then, isn’t just understanding where A.I. is headed—it’s shaping its direction before the choices narrow. As an example of A.I.’s potential to play a socially productive role, Autor pointed to health care, now the largest employment sector in the U.S. If nurse practitioners were supported by well-designed A.I. systems, he said, they could take on a broader range of diagnostic and treatment responsibilities, easing the country’s shortage of M.D.s and lowering health-care costs. Similar opportunities exist in other fields, such as education and law, he argued. “The problem in the economy right now is that much of the most valuable work involves expert decision-making, monopolized by highly educated professionals who aren’t necessarily becoming more productive,” he said. “The result is that everyone pays a lot for education, health care, legal services, and design work. That’s fine for those of us providing these services—we pay high prices, but we also earn high wages. But many people only consume these services. They’re on the losing end.”

If A.I. were designed to augment human expertise rather than replace it, it could promote broader economic gains and reduce inequality by providing opportunities for middle-skill work, Autor said. His great concern, however, is that A.I. is not being developed with this goal in mind. Instead of designing systems that empower human workers in real-world environments—such as urgent-care centers—A.I. developers focus on optimizing performance against narrowly defined data sets."

newyorker.com/magazine/2025/04

The New Yorker · How to Survive the A.I. RevolutionBy John Cassidy