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Recently, multiple I listen to, talked about the issue of "not being nice" to those on Linux who want to use proprietary software.

I think proprietary sw is a problem, especially if you run it on a personal device. However, sometimes it is hard to avoid it.

However, practical concerns should not affect advocacy. We should advocate for the "ideal" world we would like to see, and consider practical solutions as compromises one has to make in a non-ideal world.

@nicemicro I wouldn't actually mind me some proprietary software on Linux. Well, as long as it's containerised property and can't snoop around the system too much.

I think it's the lack of commerce in Linux ecosystem that is keeping the OS back from mass adoption and becoming a norm.

Android is a good example of how powerful could be

@kaievans And Android is also a good example of how much of a spyware infested hellscape it could be.

Your access controls and constraints are worthless if every app you get from the store refuses to work without you giving them access to your location, webcam, etc.

@nicemicro maybe so, but FOSS is also useless at replicating a lot of proprietary software. It's been 20 years, and I have my doubts it will ever happen.

the way I see it, solving the security problem is more approachable by FOSS community, than solving the lack of commercial grade software

@kaievans commercial grade software belongs on corporate machines that are not "personal" devices. As a corporation, you don't have privacy concerns. You might have corporate secrets, but you also probably have lawyers for such contingencies.

If Free Software will be unable to exploit regular people by trying to sell them overpriced "professional" software... we don't lose out on anything.

@nicemicro @kaievans Professional, Industry Standard and alikes are just euphemism for software recommendation.

@colinsmatt11 @nicemicro sure thing, were not talking tautology here though. I'm talking simply about availability of commercial software options

FOSS doesn't even have a decent email/calendar client, let alone any specialised software for media production. Fuck it wouldn't even have a decent code editor if it's not for vs code ;)

And it will never have those because all FOSS cares about is software aka programming. And there is much more involved in making a great product that that

martin has already pointed out the most basic error in your post, but I wonder, what is your gold standard of commercial email/calendar client?

@lxo and that goes back to the main problem with gnu/foss philosophy, it's focus on software.

It's a great approach to produce tech, like Linux kernel for example, but it consistently failing to produce great products. Because great products involve much more than just software

ISTM you've got a twisted pitch. the FS movement is about freedom, not products; nonfree software subjugates you, it's an injustice, so it doesn't belong in civilization. if you don't like what the software you use does, you should be free to improve it, or to fund whoever you trust to do so on your behalf, individually or collectively.
me, I'm very happy with gnus and org-mode in emacs. I was genuinely curious about what you wanted for email and calendaring, but I wouldn't be surprised if you, like most people, had got so used to the human farming environments that you find them more comfortable than user-liberating and -controlled ones

@lxo im sorry Alexandre, but what you're saying is basically a self justifying lunacy that has zero evidence in reality

as I said to the other guy, RMS is a false prophet. the kind of freedom you're talking about is a lunacy that only cares about the engineering side of the equation. RMS basically had daddy issues in his youth, and you follow his path blindly like lemmings

engineering? I'm talking about politics and ethics!
if given a choice of using your computer, running the same program, between having your hands tied behind your back and also your eyes blindfolded, or neither, which one would you choose?
Kai Evans

@lxo yes, blindfolded and with a dildo in my butt, lol

You know that mastodon and underlying rails are not GNU GPL, right? What about the smartphone software that runs in your pocket, is that even OSS? Are you using them blindfolded and with a dildo in your butt?

Do you even hear how moronic you free software folks sound? " Hat damn' I like my Emacs, and everyone who wants different just hates our freedoms!"

AFAIK Mastodon is AGPL, and so is GNU social, that I use.
my (ancient) smartphone runs free software (GNU/Linux)
my (also ancient) pocket watch (formerly a smartphone) runs replicant
sorry to disappoint you

now, being overpowered and unable to resist injustice is quite common, but embracing and promoting the injustice inflicting on yourself to others... that's the difference between victim and accomplice