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@bookwar@fosstodon.orgFedora is a community-driven project sponsored by Red Hat.
By writing news like "Red Hat presented Fedora KDE Edition" you do not just misrepresent the Fedora Project, you also undermine the effort of Fedora community members who did all the work to make KDE Spin into an Edition.
Please do recognize and give a credit to the community.
And if you have questions about Fedora governance, we are here - at discussion.fedoraproject.org, at release parties, on social networks, just ask
@bookwar Yes, this. Because I'm pretty sure Red Hat did very little to enable this particular effort.
It does not matter how much Red Hat did to enable it.
Fedora is done by Fedora Project members/community. Even if some of them are paid by Red Hat.
So Fedora KDE Edition was done by Fedora people. And presented by Fedora Project.
I am member of Fedora Project. And I am paid by Red Hat, use Fedora daily, use KDE as desktop.
@hrw @bookwar all KDE work has been an afterthought for decades now. I think they need to revisit that decision and become more active in the KDE upstream, beyond individual contributions from some employees.
I get the business need to focus on one specific desktop environment. I'm just saying Plasma offers more and seems to be moving ahead of GNOME.
In the enterprise environment offering "more" is not always considered a benefit.
I mean, for a user - yes. For a provider of a service.. There is a reason why when going from Fedora to RHEL we reduce amount of packages from 20 000 to 2 000.
That being said, things change and evolve all the time. We will see.
And I believe that variety is good for Fedora as long as we can keep the quality good enough.
@bookwar
What about Red Hat wanting to add AI to Fedora?
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It was on the news beginning of the year. Made me switch to Debian 
@bookwar
@cmccullough
With flatpak and Docker, I'm not in a hurry. Also Gnome never change that much.
@bookwar
why switch to a different distro because of some vague bogeyman?
I'm not even sure what "add AI to Fedora" even is supposed to mean here. do you think it's bad that development of ML systems is being made easier on Fedora?
even if Red Hat wanted to put an evil LLM assistant into Fedora, that would still need to go through (community-driven!) approval process, and it would get laughed out of court.
@decathorpe @sirber @cmccullough @bookwar there is a concern I can see (and to a certain extent share) - if that starves resource allocation needed for other parts of Fedora.
That being said personally I’m still contributing to Fedora, even outside of work, though I do Debian on the side as well. Both are fine platforms and have different tradeoffs.
@michelin @decathorpe @sirber @cmccullough @bookwar But still, that seems like a place where you either discuss it and find out or wait and see, not flee to another distro because someone put effort into packaging pytorch that could have potentially been better spent elsewhere.
Concerns like this have always been part of the Fedora Project. We as a project are sponsored by Red Hat, and we are driven by the community, but it doesn't mean we can tell Red Hat how to invest its own money in other projects.
The way I saw it so far though, is that we have Fedora resources and we have additional resources Red Hat spends on other initiatives.
And we (as Fedora Council) are actually constantly looking for ways how we can bring those initiatives to Fedora, because this brings _additional_ resources to the project.
In many cases it is not that Red Hat *forces* smth on community, it is that we as Fedora want to get more from our collaboration, where it fits
And what about it?
Yes, Red Hat invests in development of (really open) AI technologies.
And Fedora is the place where you showcase the latest and greatest FOSS technologies, and is an obvious goal for Red Hat development teams to present their features. There is no secret about it.
Of course Fedora community also is concerned about state and use of GenAI and LLM tools. That's why AI Policy is an important topic for the Fedora Council to define.
We are working on this in the open here:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/ai-policy-in-fedora-wip/144297
Everyone is welcome to participate in a constructive way.
@bookwar Journalists and publications get really attached to a company-centric way of thinking