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@joel@fosstodon.orgA bit of a short post this time thinking about Manu's latest post... Not very on-topic but still
This is day 52 of #100DaysToOffload, and post 20 for #WeblogPoMo2024
@joel @RL_Dane @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf @thedoctor @jp I agree with you that calling everything consumed "content" is very weird, there are so much art and stuff that are so much more than just "content" content to me feels more like something that could be generated with an AI :p good books, articles, videos etc. are so much more than just "content"
@sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social @RL_Dane @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor @jp I originally went on a tangent talking about that, a couple of extra paragraphs, but ultimately the word has been used for ages for meaningful things, right now it doesn't feel right to me but I hope overtime it goes back around.
@sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social @RL_Dane @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor @jp right now I can still say "wow, there's so much content in this game" for example, and it can mean both that it's a great game, or that it's a game with a lot of filler. So yeah, it's complicated
@joel @RL_Dane @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf @thedoctor @jp Yeah for game stuff I feel like content is a decent term, it kind of describes stuff contained in the game like items quests skills and the like. So for games I'm totally fine with treating the stuff inside a game as content, The game itself though, I don't think a game is content, it's some kind of art, the game is so much more than just its content :)
@sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social @joel @RL_Dane @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor Same, but I also think the word "slop" works really well here.
@jp @sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social @joel @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor
I thought "slop" was shorthand for "AI-generated content."
@RL_Dane @jp @joel @amin @dm @ivan @sotolf @thedoctor "slop" and "pulp" have been used for really long describing lower quality stuff that are made to appeal to the masses, and not really have much soul in them. Now where to put the line, and what one would describe as that though that's a way bigger discussion.
@amin @sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social @joel @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor @jp
Lol, that sounds like something I or Sotolf might say... be careful, you may be aging too fast ;)
@sotolf@alpha.polymaths.social
Flattery is of very limited utility here, Amin. XD
@amin @joel @dm @ivan @sotolf@social.linux.pizza @thedoctor @jp
@sotolf oh really? I wonder why
@joel First of all, this whole thing feels like it's written in a rather condecending manner as in "this is what I think and its 100% objective" The whole thing of focusing on consuming/creating, like we have some kind of requirement to do either of them. I'm also kind of finding it weird that the only input taken into account here are articles, while what inspires really good writing at least in my mind mostly boils down to people getting excited or really into something, and wanting to share it with others, not just writing with the goal of "creating"
The thing is I have 0 interest in reading an article that someone wrote just to write, or to fill some kind of weird quota, which is why I don't like the 100posts in x days kind of thing, the only thing it results in is people writing just to have something written.
Also this kind of ratio thing is really weird to me, my whole life, all the experiences I make are all input into this weird brain of mine, not just "content" that I consume.
I was kind of disappointed that it seemed to be nothing more than waffling on about an idea that maybe was worth one paragraph of text. I mean it would maybe make a fine diary entry, but I don't think that it has any insight or anything useful in there, it's writing about a concept that has no merit.
@sotolf it's interesting to me how you find Manu's article borderline disrespectful, since I was actually quite amused by it.
I think Manu is aware most of his readers are writers as well, and found his approach interesting to say the least.
It's interesting to me how you don't like people who write for the sake of it? What other purpose do we need?
@sotolf ok I need to find more words besides "interesting" oof
@joel Not what you wrote, I liked yours, it was rather thoughtful, and it showed that it was something that you cared about and was interested in.
The article that you commented on was the one that I didn't enjoy, I don't know who Manu is, and they might be a great person, I just really disagree with the post that they wrote.
There is a big differnce about writing just to write, that results in things that just are too navelgazing, or has no real soul behind them. The most important thing about writing I feel is to wanting to get something interesting across, to feel it, not just to write for the sake of writing.
@sotolf oh yes, I meant that u found Manu's article bad, I didn't explain myself properly.
But I'm glad to confirm you liked mine 
@joel Probably the thing that rubbed me the most the wrong way and made me see that article in a more critical light was the start that kind of indicated that they felt there is something that is better about creating than enjoying a work of art, something that I really don't agree with.
to see more about something that I really enjoy see this one by @thedoctor https://bfloeser.de/posts/duplo/ they found an experience of something they found really interesting and explored it in an article, and even though it's something I would never have done myself I really enjoyed the tour through something I would have never thought of myself but did enjoy.
I've also really enjoyed your tour through getting and playing around with the meyou mini (miyuu miyou?) they have been quite a fun read, and it's clear that you write about something that you're interested in and want to share with others :)
@sotolf @thedoctor btw if case you wanna read more of Moreale's posts I quite like this one!
https://manuelmoreale.com/good-enough
He has also reviewed a variety of bloggers as well which is neat
@joel @thedoctor Just skimming through some of the things there, it seems like their writing style and choice of topics just doesn't mesh with what I enjoy at all, I looked through some posts when you posted the link as well, and I don't know there is something about it that is offputting to me, but I can't quite put my finger on what.
@sotolf @thedoctor hmm. There's this feeling of maybe at some point he'll make a "hey guys join my content creation crash course and become cool"
But I've had those thoughts about @amin too and he's alright 
@joel @thedoctor @amin Yeah, that might be it, it somehow triggers one of my "salesman" sensors in some way, I don't know, but that's something that I in general don't really enjoy, so it might be it.
I never got that impression about amin, but then again, I've known amin here on fedi for a long time before I read anything that he made outside of it :)
@joel @thedoctor I would also warn against grammarly, from what I have been remembering there has been quite a bit of shady business with that company, I don't quite remember what right now, but I at least remember that I used to have a reason to keep away from them.
Yeah, I used to use it but moved away once I was confident in my own proofreading abilities. And looking back at the company… just not worth dealing with at least to me.
That said if someone’s school, uni, or work provides the premium version, it could be worth giving a try and seeing if it makes you more mindful about certain things.
And especially for people who English isn’t their first language it can be a useful tool.
@amin @joel @thedoctor English is not my first language, and to be honest I'd rather write my broken English than dealing with grammarly.
And honestly I probably would too. But I understand when people have different priorities in that regard. And I especially as a native speaker am not gonna be the one to tell people whether or not they should use Grammarly, that's up to them.
@amin @joel @thedoctor Yeah I don't know it feels just wrong to me, but then I grew up speaking a language that is so varied and non-normative that such a tool would make little sense, it might be bias.
Hmm I saw it less as saying creation is better than consumption and more that a balance is ideal. But I may have misinterpreted.
@amin @joel @thedoctor they were talking about consuming content not about living life, gathering experience experience art and nature, without experiencing interesting things and seeing breathtaking nature, getting your hands dirty and just doing a lot of things, how are you supposed to write anything interesting, I'd much rather read a person writing about something they have a lot of experience and passion about than someone writing to fill a page with words.
@thedoctor @joel hah, you're the doctor, I'm just an office grunt :p
Depends what you mean by that. I don't see anything wrong with writing purely because you love writing, with little care about whether it pleases an audience.
That's what I do with my poetry; I don't write it because I want attention or want to communicate a message or anything; I write poetry because I enjoy writing poetry. I do publish it, but mostly because I'm interested in feedback.
@amin @joel hmm, poetry is a bit different I think, because it like lyrics are more about playing with language itself, I'm not a big poem guy, but I would think too that a poem would hit me a lot harder talking about shared experiences, love, companionship or something that really brings things to life, a poem written just to write can be fun though, so I don't know, it's not something I know much about :)