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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

It was wise of @drewdevault to host redict (redis fork) on @Codeberg to maintain workflow parity with github and avoid any perceived conflicts of interest¹.

I wondered why LGPL and not of AGPL², which is also explained nicely: "but we want to make it as easy as possible for users to comply with the Redict license and we do not see any reason to discourage cloud providers from making use of Redict."

Hope other marquee projects follow suite.

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² redict.io/posts/2024-03-22-red

Redict · Redict is an independent, copyleft fork of Redis®Like many of you, I was disappointed when I learned that Redis®1 was changing to a non-free licensing model. This is a betrayal of the free software community, but perhaps not an entirely surprising one. Forks are likely to start appearing in the coming days, and today, I would like to offer Redict to you as a possible future home for your needs, and present its trade-offs as compared to the other forks you’re likely to be choosing from soon.
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immibis
@shom @drewdevault @Codeberg of course - the FOSS equivalent of class treason
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis sorry, which part is FOSS class treason, I didn't follow.

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immibis
@shom when I make the software a lesser version of GPL so that cloud providers will notice me, senpai. It's the software equivalent of underbidding your wage or working conditions so that you get the job.
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis ah okay, yeah I agree on principle for sure but not on existing projects that are already in use by the cloud providers. If redict was licensed as AGPL (which is what I would have thought) then none of the existing cloud companies would likely use redict. So none of the contributions they make would never make it out as FOSS.
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis But in this case, with LGPL they can/might switch to redict and could continue contributing. I'm using can/might/could to illustrate that it's a possiblity, not a guarantee, but AGPL would be a guaranteed no.

So in this specific case @drewdevault's choice gives a better shot for contributions from cloud providers to land on @Codeberg than AGPL hosted on sourcehut.

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immibis
@shom @drewdevault @Codeberg why does anyone care whether AWS uses Redict or RedAWS (whatever they call their fork)? If AWS wants to choose the license they can make the project - why work for AWS for free?
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis because it's a two-way street. We also want <AWS> to "work for free". Whether I like it or not a lot of commercial enterprises have contributed significant portions of the FOSS stack, sometimes pragmatism is a greater benefit than purity tests.
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immibis
@shom @drewdevault @Codeberg so far AWS is working for a lot of money. What's the plan to change that to free?
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis I think we misunderstood each other. I was using "work for free" the way you implied in your previous comment, creating value (code) without payment. Not making services from AWS free.

Also, we're on the same side of the argument here, corporations mooch off community effort without contributing value back. We're agreed on that.
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis However, what this specific instance of license choice of LGPL does is to leave the door open for those corporations to continue contributing. The value has already been absorbed by them, there's no going back. Using a license that discourages corporate use at this stage is only going to hurt the FOSS community from getting value back in the form of corporate contributions.

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immibis
@shom @drewdevault @Codeberg they're creating value (code) because they get paid a lot.
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shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

@immibis if they get paid to code and that code becomes open source, that's a win! Developers are also workers and need to make a living. If their work can benefit society as a whole, that's the ideal scenario!
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