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@Tionisla@troet.cafe @emersion @marcan@treehouse.systems @airlied @shenki @mripard @vbabka Let me ask this question: As a user who often encounters Linux kernel related problems, what am I supposed to do with them? For most projects, there's somewhere to report them that would be handled. The Linux kernel lacks this. I could report it to my distribution's bug tracker, and this *mostly* works in Fedora. But other distributions can do literally nothing with them. So now what?

@Tionisla@troet.cafe @emersion @marcan@treehouse.systems @airlied @shenki @mripard @vbabka As a "somewhat" contributor to Linux, this problem makes everything worse. At the core of it, it is literally impossible to consistently and coherently identify flaws, report them, and track the progress of them being fixed. Every other project I work on has some coherent way of doing this.

It would not surprise me if a large part of the frustration among kernel contributors is because of this. It massively increases the busywork!

@Tionisla@troet.cafe @emersion @marcan@treehouse.systems @airlied @shenki @mripard @vbabka The lack of "culture of error" is a problem too. We are humans and make mistakes, but a lot of people keep trying to make contributors work as if they aren't. It's practically begging for burnout. I've seen more give in super-critical commercial development. Because `git revert` is a thing that we can use in the end. Thankfully, this is not a universal problem in the kernel, but it's enough of one.

Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

@Tionisla@troet.cafe @emersion @marcan@treehouse.systems @airlied @shenki @mripard @vbabka And at the end of the day, I posit that one of the reasons this is tolerated is that the majority of the Linux kernel maintainers have been around since the early days, so the Overton window is shifted quite a bit from what everyone else has.

So what happens when they aren't around for one reason or another? I don't know.