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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

Hey ,

Is anyone using ?

Does it have the ability to make phone calls and SMS, or is it solely voip-to-voip calling and messaging?

Thanks!

@RL_Dane I've used it once to make a call to a regular phone (using a SIP service, of course). There is some time already, but it worked nice.

@brunofontes

Cool, I'll have to try it, thanks :)

@RL_Dane phone calls via your SIP provider, I didn’t manage SMS so far

@mirabilos

Ah, so they don't provide the SIP?

I was hoping to find a solution like line2 that's FOSS.

@RL_Dane dunno, i use it with sipgate, and it barely works (phone calls only arrive when linphone is in the foreground); linphone have some paid services but I don’t know how well that would work

@mirabilos

I really need to read up on how SIP works. I'm totally in the dark.

I guess you have to buy a service to provide SIP-to-POTS separately? Does Linphone not provide that at all, even on a paid tier?

@RL_Dane uh, no idea… I just use the software called linphone…

@RL_Dane

Linphone is primarily just software, although they have their own free SIP server that allows you to make direct calls to other SIP devices.

For a POTS connection, you'll need either your own or a hosted PBX, with a POTS connection that provides outbound calling. Presumably you'll also want a DID (direct inward dial) so people can also call you.

Your connection to POTS could be completely separate from the PBX, e.g. a SIP connection to a provider, or a local PCIe card with an FXO port, or a dedicated piece of hardware with an FXO port that connects to a landline and your PBX via Ethernet+SIP. (Netgear and Grand stream both make such things)

It tends to sound more complicated than it is.
I run FreePBX on a 2G Vultr node with POTS connection handled by Flowroute. Inexpensive and reliable IME.
# uptime
18:37:34 up 670 days, 4:11...

SMS is another story. SIP has support for text based communications. You won't find a POTS provider that supports this. They all handle SMS/MMS out of band. Flowroute has an outbound API, and posts inbound to a user specified http endpoint. AFAIK, that's all you'll find with any of them.

If you just want simple, reliable, and requiring no oversight, just pay your mobile provider for a line. SIP is generally unencrypted, and prone to attacks. A successful attack can have all sorts of nasty consequences like someone costing you a few thousand bucks and spam calling/texting thousands of people. It does not pay to fail to pay attention to your PBX and POTS connections.

@RL_Dane Looks like it's SIP and it has apps to connect with Android and iPhone. It doesn't seem like it has eSIM compatibility, etc.

@vwbusguy

What I'm hoping to find is a solution that will let me eventually transfer my cell phone number over (once I properly vet the service) and will allow me to:
* answer/compose texts on the phone or the desktop
* Ensure synchronization of texts and call logs between phone and desktop
* Have some sort of archiving solution so I can save text messages for legal reasons.

@RL_Dane @vwbusguy Not to be a corporate shill, but those are the exact services I get with my 2015 iPhone and a prepaid SIM card.

@mos_8502 @vwbusguy

IFF you're running MacOS on the desktop.

I used to love that "tight integration" up until 2019, when I switched everything back to Linux.

I tried running MacOS via a vm, and then over vnc, but it just wasn't convenient.

@RL_Dane I use #KDEConnect to integrate with my #Fedora stuff and I archive my text messages to my #Nextcloud through a nextcloud app. Admittedly, I also use Google Voice, which is a doubled edged sword for privacy, but definitely helps leverage multi-device integrations.

@RL_Dane I did try one time to make a carrier free wifi-only SIP phone out of an iPod touch back around 2009/2010 and the quality of service wasn't great and I definitely had to jailbreak it to make it work at the time. That was back when gpodder still worked on iOS devices from Linux, which is no longer the case.

@vwbusguy

Google Voice would be kind of perfect, but yeah that's really asking the wolf to watch the lambs for you ;)
I ported my Oklahoma number over to it ten years ago, and it worked pretty well.

I might need to try Line2. It seems similar, and I feel better paying for the product (than being it, lol)

@RL_Dane Yeah, it's interesting. It obfuscates stuff from your phone company, but Google then can index all your text messages and voice mail. But there's no denying that the service itself works and works very well.

@vwbusguy

For some reason, just doesn't like me. I think my SMS DB is bigger than it knows how to handle, and it just chokes.

Otherwise, it'd be the perfect solution.