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I love ' take on the idea that without a higher power, there is no logical way to judge right from wrong.

If your only way to tell right from wrong is your feelings or the culture that you live in, you're screwed.

@tkk13909 I wish Lewis had talked to some rabbis before he wrote that. “Don’t do anything to others that you wouldn’t want done to you,” will take you far.

⁂Krafty⁂

@Virginicus In the book , he brings it up.

I don't see it as relevant to this conversation, however, because one could simply ask (as Lewis does in his book) why should I care about other people? Who is going to make me be nice to others?

In this way, it seems we come right back to where we started.

@Virginicus Lewis and I both believe that people should do unto others what you would have them do unto you but I don't see that as a basis, more as a conclusion.

@tkk13909 I value peace and prosperity. Reciprocal treatment and cooperation bring that about. Near-optimally, the game theorists tell us. I have no need for anything above that.

@Virginicus And why, exactly, do you value peace and prosperity?

Additionally, do you believe it would be wrong for someone else not to value them?