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As your friendly neighbourhood jock-nerd, I'm here to remind you once again that nerds have always been more misogynistic than jocks, and it's not particularly close.
I said what I said.
Y'all act surprised every time this gets revealed to be true.
@mekkaokereke HM!! Such an interesting statement. In my totally unscientific and spur of the moment opinion, I think this mostly holds, but in a specific sense.
I think relatively few nerds genuinely *like* women, while a good share of jocks do. But the jocks who hate women do so in perhaps a more actively dangerous way, where they really seek to own and control us.
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I agree that a lot of nerds don't even like women, or see them as equal human beings with their own agency.
But I think the nerd form of misogyny is both more possessive and more dangerous.
Eg, in my lived experience, nerd answers on these questions are significantly worse than athlete answers:
* Should women have reproductive rights?
* Is child marriage OK?
* Should society "assign" women to men as partners? Or let women choose?
These are truly dangerous and possessive misogynistic ideas, turning into dangerous and possessive laws and actions. More athletes choose the reasonable answers. Laws eroding women's reproductive rights, and legalising child marriage, and "intellectual" conversations around removing women's rights to even choose a partner, are coming from nerds, not jocks.
@mekkaokereke i mean, a lot of this obviously depends on where you draw the lines around “Jock” vs. “Nerd”. If I had to sort republican congressmen, for example, they would generally fall into “jock” category. If we’re talking serious athletes vs someone working in tech, that’s a different sort of categorization I think.
I guess, by “jock” do we mean guys who are naturally athletic and like sports? Or guys whose dads told them they weren’t real men so they started lifting weights and performing hypermasculinity to finally please the hateful men in their lives?
@mekkaokereke by “nerd” do we mean guys who meet up once a week to play warhammer? Or guys whose dads told them they weren’t real men so they tried to get super rich and convince themselves they’re actually an Ubermensch and everyone else is inferior to them?
… wait there’s a theme.
That's a great point, and a great question. And I agree that the answers do change a lot depending on how we define jock.
I'm talking about jock in the sense of US big revenue, big participation sports, like basketball and football. The athlete cultures of these sports are largely (inextricably?) intertwined with Black American culture.
@mekkaokereke In that case I am in FULLLLL agreement. Some of the spaces I’ve felt *most* comfortable in have been around really serious athletes (esp boxers). But I do love me a warhammer nerd now and then :P
Some of my least comfortable moments were definitely thanks to the nerds when they started being the main presence in the bars I used to go to in SF. UGH.
@Jackiemauro@fosstodon.org @mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io whom one feels unthreatened by and whom one feels unwelcomed by is something everyone should examine
it's much too likely you're coded as the former while examining the behaviors of the latter
this could branch into a discussion of code-switching, or a failure to, and how recognizing oneself as the out-group in a situation is critical to acceptance on both sides
(zero disagreement on the misogyny points though, especially towards transfems)