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What's wrong with just switching to Session??

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@mintdaniel42

Has a much smaller userbase and not tech-savy people wouldn’t undestand why you want them tp use session.

I think most iOS users have no trouble understanding how user hostile Signal has been after getting a new device or losing all the messages they wanted to save.

As for the user base, that's a problem that fixes itself as more people switch away from Signal.

@mintdaniel42

Yes I understand that but there’s no messenger that’s really perfect. Btw signal is working on free and paid cloud backups for iOS and Android

Chris Ely

Signal fails as a useful solution as long as:

- I can't switch devices and keep messages.
- I must give them a phone number.
- Multiple devices can't cooperate to allow me to chat continuously from any device.
- Messages can't be sent/received arbitrarily because the server decided my client isn't acceptable.

Signal is not reliable and very user-hostile.

@mintdaniel42

Okay so I’ve been using Signal for over two years now and would like to address your critical points:

  • I switched from my old phone to my current phone without losing even one message. Not even safety numbers changed
  • Yes you have to give them a phone number. And yes atm everyone is able to see them. This will change this year as usernames are coming. The phone number will from then on only be used for verification and stored encrypted
  • I have three devices: Phone (Android), Tablet (Android) and PC (Linux). All of the messages get synchronized properly and almost instantly
  • I don’t know what you mean by this exactly but I think you mean that the official Signal server doesn’t support forked clients which is false if you take a look at Molly (which I’m using on my Tablet due to several reasons)

In terms of reliability in general I never experienced any issues with Signal. It works great even in bad internet connection scenarios.

I could have guessed that you used Android before your previous message simply by your positive impression.

Try switching the OS and keeping your messages then you will discover the difficulty. It's worse if you began on iOS.

I just recently had the Signal servers silently stop communicating with the app. I had to create a debug log to find that the server was sending an error for some reason when it was working the previous day. Switching apps was the only solution remaining.

@mintdaniel42

Did you use a forked client? If yes which one?

Yes. I used one with better import/export support.

It's not relevant for my point though. The server is choosing if the app you have can send/receive messages and changing the qualifications whenever it likes. That's unreliable.

@mintdaniel42