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@SystemsAppr John Day mentions in his Response to “How the Hourglass Won” an unpublished essay on the hour-glass model, titled “Abner Doubleday Comes to Networking” which he would be willing to share. It would be very much in my interest to do so.

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@SystemsAppr John Day mentions in his Response to “How the Hourglass Won” an unpublished essay on the hour-glass model, titled “Abner Doubleday Comes to Networking” which he would be willing to share. It would be very much in my interest to do so.

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@toxi Re: Toxiclibsjs #FederatedWiki https://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/toxicl ibsjs I'm just reading up on it. See: VANTOMME, Jan (ed.), 2012. Processing 2: creative programming cookbook: over 90 highly-effective recipes to unleash your creativity with. Birmingham: Packt Publ. Quick answers to common problems. ISBN 978-1-84951-794-2.

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@toxi Re: Toxiclibsjs #FederatedWiki https://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/toxicl ibsjs I'm just reading up on it. See: VANTOMME, Jan (ed.), 2012. Processing 2: creative programming cookbook: over 90 highly-effective recipes to unleash your creativity with. Birmingham: Packt Publ. Quick answers to common problems. ISBN 978-1-84951-794-2.

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@khinsen @toxi See "Output of Function toDot" #FederatedWiki #HowToThing

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@khinsen @toxi See "Output of Function toDot" #FederatedWiki #HowToThing

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@toxi Many thanks, Karsten! See https://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/howtot hing-001/view/karsten-schmidt/view/derived-views-of-pure-data #FederatedWiki #HowToThing

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@toxi Many thanks, Karsten! See https://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/howtot hing-001/view/karsten-schmidt/view/derived-views-of-pure-data #FederatedWiki #HowToThing

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@marick @k9ox See also "Semantic Line Breaks" https://sembr.org/
> Semantic Line Breaks describe a set of conventions for using insensitive vertical whitespace to structure prose along semantic boundaries.

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@marick @k9ox See also "Semantic Line Breaks" https://sembr.org/
> Semantic Line Breaks describe a set of conventions for using insensitive vertical whitespace to structure prose along semantic boundaries.

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@marick @k9ox No problem, in the meantime my Federated Wiki App Animal is watching your transcript. #federatedwiki http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/welcom e-visitors/view/2024-01-25/view/distribution-boundary

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@marick @k9ox No problem, in the meantime my Federated Wiki App Animal is watching your transcript. #federatedwiki http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/welcom e-visitors/view/2024-01-25/view/distribution-boundary

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@khinsen @gordon Thanks Konrad for the link. My Zettelkasten suggests that the chances are quite high that the 45th could also become the 47th, which could be a problem in terms of bundle arbitrariness at the top. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/max-we bers-bureaucracy-model/view/bundle-arbitrariness-at-the-top/view/45-could-become-47

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@khinsen @gordon Thanks Konrad for the link. My Zettelkasten suggests that the chances are quite high that the 45th could also become the 47th, which could be a problem in terms of bundle arbitrariness at the top. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/max-we bers-bureaucracy-model/view/bundle-arbitrariness-at-the-top/view/45-could-become-47

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@marick @k9ox We could ensure that the act of exchange and the act of use are mutually exclusive. We need something like a market and the fiction of complete physical immutability. The act of exchange only changes the social status of the commodity. The commodity must remain exempt from all physical changes. At the very least, this must be feigned. This is why Sohn-Rethel can say that exchange is abstract even in the time it takes.

https://archive.org/details/homooccide ntalis0000bamm/page/354/

http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/power-of-empty-concepts

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@marick @k9ox We could ensure that the act of exchange and the act of use are mutually exclusive. We need something like a market and the fiction of complete physical immutability. The act of exchange only changes the social status of the commodity. The commodity must remain exempt from all physical changes. At the very least, this must be feigned. This is why Sohn-Rethel can say that exchange is abstract even in the time it takes.

https://archive.org/details/homooccide ntalis0000bamm/page/354/

http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/power-of-empty-concepts

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@marick Your "common reality" or the material environment of the diagram would result from the correspondence of two such external textual representations, which, however, only 'exist' in the computed perspective of another observer.

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@marick Your "common reality" or the material environment of the diagram would result from the correspondence of two such external textual representations, which, however, only 'exist' in the computed perspective of another observer.

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@marick In my preferred form of systems theory, it is the systems that reproduce their own system/environment difference with system operations. I am currently very much concerned with the question of how Structure Sharing could be possible and am experiencing the limits of external textual representations. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/struct ure-sharing/view/external-textual-representation

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@marick In my preferred form of systems theory, it is the systems that reproduce their own system/environment difference with system operations. I am currently very much concerned with the question of how Structure Sharing could be possible and am experiencing the limits of external textual representations. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/struct ure-sharing/view/external-textual-representation

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@marick The diagram is taken from Wolff-Michael Roth's paper. I would rather speak of the environmental pole of the system {person | environment}. I try to avoid speaking of a "common reality", as in my experience this threatens to be an ontological trap.

ROTH, Wolff-Michael, 2019. How to generate evidence for the emergence of new psychological forms: Grundlegung der Psychologie and its contribution to method. Kritische Psychologie. 2019. Vol. 16, p. 719–740.

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@marick The diagram is taken from Wolff-Michael Roth's paper. I would rather speak of the environmental pole of the system {person | environment}. I try to avoid speaking of a "common reality", as in my experience this threatens to be an ontological trap.

ROTH, Wolff-Michael, 2019. How to generate evidence for the emergence of new psychological forms: Grundlegung der Psychologie and its contribution to method. Kritische Psychologie. 2019. Vol. 16, p. 719–740.

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@marick If you would like to view this illustration as a supplement to your two-sides illustration, note that we are then dealing with 2 environments. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/app-an imal (cc: @k9ox )

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@marick If you would like to view this illustration as a supplement to your two-sides illustration, note that we are then dealing with 2 environments. http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/app-an imal (cc: @k9ox )

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@marick I would like to draw Brian's attention to the following illustration. Replace person_1 with Brian and person_2 with App Animal.
See http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/welcom e-visitors/view/direct-control-links

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@marick I would like to draw Brian's attention to the following illustration. Replace person_1 with Brian and person_2 with App Animal.
See http://wiki.ralfbarkow.ch/view/welcom e-visitors/view/direct-control-links

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@trondhjort @marick @newcrafts @kentbeck I'm just wondering if we could use Ward's Federated Wiki for this: possibly writing this book together? #FedWiki #FederatedWiki @k9ox

We have some experience with supporting collective writing of books.

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@trondhjort @marick @newcrafts @kentbeck I'm just wondering if we could use Ward's Federated Wiki for this: possibly writing this book together? #FedWiki #FederatedWiki @k9ox

We have some experience with supporting collective writing of books.

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Brian Marick @marick thinks Trond @trondhjort will have to be the popularizer that #OST hasn't had yet. Specifically, he will need to write a book. He will also need to write shorter descriptions of technologies like the "search workshop" (described later). Brain is encouraging him to do this and has offered to be an editor. Brain would like us to encourage Trond as well. [https://podcast.oddly-influenced.dev/e pisodes/trond-hjorteland-on-a-radical-approach-to-organizational-transformation/transcript podcast]

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Brian Marick @marick thinks Trond @trondhjort will have to be the popularizer that #OST hasn't had yet. Specifically, he will need to write a book. He will also need to write shorter descriptions of technologies like the "search workshop" (described later). Brain is encouraging him to do this and has offered to be an editor. Brain would like us to encourage Trond as well. [https://podcast.oddly-influenced.dev/e pisodes/trond-hjorteland-on-a-radical-approach-to-organizational-transformation/transcript podcast]

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@marick If I understood the first part of your Foucault epsiode correctly, you are concerned with clarifying the notion of "voluntary panoptism."

Foucault explains this in the chapter on "Panoptism" with an architectural example. While sovereign power acts vertically from a center, disciplinary power spreads horizontally. It is organized decentrally, largely depersonalized, and operates from within as a system of reciprocal control and self-discipline.

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@marick If I understood the first part of your Foucault epsiode correctly, you are concerned with clarifying the notion of "voluntary panoptism."

Foucault explains this in the chapter on "Panoptism" with an architectural example. While sovereign power acts vertically from a center, disciplinary power spreads horizontally. It is organized decentrally, largely depersonalized, and operates from within as a system of reciprocal control and self-discipline.

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@t73fde Re: Namenskollisionen / #NameCollision.

The localhost #FederatedWiki server tells you if the page already exists. In case of a collision, the client decides what changes need to be made to the history (keyword: journal) to bring the page to the desired state. The history is kept so that earlier versions can be restored (keyword: replay).

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@t73fde Re: Namenskollisionen / #NameCollision.

The localhost #FederatedWiki server tells you if the page already exists. In case of a collision, the client decides what changes need to be made to the history (keyword: journal) to bring the page to the desired state. The history is kept so that earlier versions can be restored (keyword: replay).

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How We Survey Pages
http://code.fed.wiki/view/how-we-surv ey-pages #FederatedWiki Thanks @k9ox

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How We Survey Pages
http://code.fed.wiki/view/how-we-surv ey-pages #FederatedWiki Thanks @k9ox