@DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson
Y'all need to stop.
There was a campaign stunt done for(not by) the Harris campaign, saying that women could hide their votes.
Then a bunch of articles picked it up.
Then it started trending.
The term wasn't trending before the articles. This isn't real demand. Y'all are making all kinds of excuses for the fact that there are more Melanias and MTGs and Stefaniks than you want to admit.
There are exactly as many MAGA women as Black folk tell you
@DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson
This is the exact same dynamic that y'all use to convince yourselves that there's a crime wave when there is absolutely none.
The press writes a bunch of articles about crime (read: hating on Black folk). Then y'all convince yourselves, saying things like "A lot of people are worried about crime! See? They're all searching for it! It's trending! People *feel* like there's a lot of crime!"
46% of white women are pro life.
>50% are Trump voters.
@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson I wonder: the trend you show only goes back to Oct of 2023… which (coincidently 0_o ) doesn’t have an election… what’s the trend of that phrase (or paraphrases) over the last 16 years? That would be a much more convincing graph… what you showed was hardly convincing at all.
If you’re going to use data to make your point: use the correct data.
@altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson
1. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Keep trying to free Melania if you want. Good luck with that.
2. Do your own data fetches.
3. This is the right data.
The below trends charts are what it looks like when voters really care about something. These charts: "Joe Biden Gaza" and "Kamala Harris Gaza" and "Can I vote by Mail"
@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson there is also this:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=Who%20can%20see%20my%20vote&hl=en
Which shows a growing concern jumping heavily around 2020…
The phrase about the husband might be manufactured: but the sentiment may be organic.
@altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson
Do you realize that search term also includes:
* Husbands afraid of their wives
* Children afraid of their parents
* Black employees of a pro-Trump white employer
* People that "have Black friends" but want to vote for Trump anyway. Shy Republicans, as they're called.
Etc etc?
And that it takes more imaginary thinking and "white women: always the victim, never the villain!" mentality to map that term to the "free Melania use case?
@mekkaokereke the OP is about the importance of end to end encryption. all your examples are valid reasons to be pro-end-to-end encryption.
Agreed on E2EE. I have no issue with E2EE. Which is why I didn't say anything about that.
Domestic violence is also terrible. Men are generally trash. Coercion happens. All bad things.
What I said, and what I'm still saying, is that the "white women would vote differently, if only it weren't for white men being the true villains in society!" Is a lie. It's a lie told to minimize the accountability of the subset of white women that are violent, racist, and harmful.
@nicemicro
MHO. Two things can be true:
1) Republican women, especially those with the sort of domineering husbands whose retribution would be more likely to take the form of a cold shoulder than a dislocated one, may be inspired by the Roberts commercial to vote for Harris when they would not have done so otherwise.
2) Racist white women pose a specific and very serious danger to Black men. (Not all white women, & not the white woman writing this; but some white women indisputably cause Black men harm.)
@mekkeokereke has pointed out that this makes the Roberts commercial offensive to many Black men. IIRC, it's something like if Racist Lucy were offering the football to a Black Charlie Brown; & me & my fellow white liberals were standing on the sidelines yelling "C'mon! Of course she won't snatch the football away *this* time! All those previous times were her husband's fault!"
I'm not sure what any of us liberals should do about this, except to try to understand it; and maybe cool down the positive excitement over the Roberts commercial.
We're not really in a position here to just ask Black men to hold their noses & vote for Harris anyway.
*although I hope some of them do
@mekkaokereke @nicemicro FWIW white women can still be racist trash AND vote for Harris. Plenty of white Dem voters are racist trash. It's not like most people who are racist are racist for sophisticated ideological reasons. It's entirely plausible a racist white woman would want to vote for Harris because of the single issue of reproductive rights / abortion rights.
@ln @mekkaokereke @nicemicro FWIW, Black folks--cops, for a blindingly obvious example--can and do enact racist trash, racism being a team sport played in most cases by governments. The idea that it's some kind of atomized, individual peccadillo is a large hunk of the distraction that prevents us from actually taking it on.
@davidfetter @ln @mekkaokereke @nicemicro I'd even the part where it is an individual peccadillo is not really something any society can be expected to do anything on a universal scale.
I don't expect anti-autistic sentiment to ever disappear. But I do, however, want to make it so that those who hate me have no power to kill or impoverish me. I have the same stance regarding biphobia and transphobia in any of it's varied forms.
I fully expect these hatred, in of themselves, are things we are stuck with.
But not the systems of oppression built around these hatreds.
@ln nah
The premise of this post is BS
it is 99.9% likely that racist white women are fundies and never going to vote based on abortion.
Make Karen Great Again
The great Democratic Karen rehabilitation project. They did it for Liz Cheney, why wouldn't they do it for Karen?