Seriously <company_I_work_for>, if I have root access to the production servers, can we assume I'm responsible enough to have admin rights on my laptop? Please??

@RyuKurisu I wish. Ridiculous. Trusted with servers worth more than I make in a year, not trusted on the $600 laptop (if I'm being generous considering how old this thing is).

@mike I hate to be a consumer of IT. Spent too much time as a sysadmin, I guess

@mike I used to work for around 16 different companies so far (including 2 of my own). There is a clear pattern: places where your local pc access is completely blocked usually suck more than the others.

@mike The more i hear people talk about their jobs, the happier I am with mine >_>

I run Gentoo on my work laptop BTW :D

I don't think anyone could pay me to use Windows. A few years ago, I would've been open to it; Windows 7 was okay, and Windows 10 was, in hindsight, not that terrible.

I'm not going near Windows 11 if I have to commit war crimes to avoid it.

@pixelherodev @mike is there any meaningful difference between W10 and W11? I thought it pretty much amounted to a coat of paint

@jforseth210 Well, meaningful is pretty subjective, but in using Windows 10 at work and Windows 11 at home on the gaming machine, I don't really notice much of anything. The task bar is centered now? I'm sure there's more to it than that.


@mike @jforseth210 @pixelherodev You can move it back to the left. (I even have a policy that can do that for everyone at work.)

Biggest Windows 11 actual feature is coming next month, which is Android app support. ...Which I'll promptly disable.

@mike @pixelherodev Meaningful in terms of "Win10 wasn't that terrible but I'd commit war crimes to avoid Win 11"

@jforseth210 In my experience, Windows 11 hasn't been much more "war crimes" worthy than Windows 10. A little bit I suppose. Microsoft being Microsoft.


@mike @jforseth210 Yeah, fairness: between Windows 10 and war crimes, I'd probably choose war crimes, too.

Windows 7 isn't bad enough to justify hurting real people, but all the ones after it?! Absolutely. Real people, shmeel shmmeeple.

(Totally sarcastic, if that wasn't clear. I wouldn't *actually* commit war crimes.

... probably. I mean, I'm not in the situation, so I can't *actually* know what I'd do, you know?)

It's less the OS itself, though I'm told there's a few issues there, and more what MS did surrounding the launch.

The hardware requirements were literally *evil*. They were very obviously designed to cause a ton of perfectly excellent machines to be thrown away.

@pixelherodev Hmm, so there'll be a lot of cheap PCs available when Win10 hits EOL. Noted.

Hopefully, yes.

Practically, I'll be unsurprised if this contributes significantly to the already-horrible ewaste crisis.

@jforseth210 the Windows 11 "requirements" will be dropped just in time before the Windows 10 EOL (there's a registry alteration that let's you "legitimately" upgrade from 10 to 11) ✌️😏

@mike You really probably shouldn't. Most irresponsible computer users are the people who know enough to be dangerous with it. Developers are the worst culprit, second only to IT themselves.

@ocdtrekkie @mike except a good company will have a way to allow BYOD/self managed devices on the network in a relatively secure way, because I find that IT people work best when they can have their tools set up their way. I include having your own setup for keyboard/mice/monitors too

@simon @mike You don't need admin to use your own keyboard, mouse, or monitor.

@ocdtrekkie @mike i know that. But it's the same sentiment. To be productive my team need admin rights to install stuff/their own choice of distro and to set it up their way . And 2 monitors and a mech keyboard. Some companies are restrictive on both software and hardware.

@mike create a user account on the server and connect to it via VNC to have a usable system? 😬

@mike I had to meet with 3 different security officers because we wanted to install RHEL on our dashboard pc and not windows. When they objected because they felt it was not as secure as the windows install they provided by default, I pointed to the number of servers in our management (> 1k) and the core infra services we manage for the whole company of > 4k employees.

They approved.

@mike Linux on my device with root is a non negotiable for me

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