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mattst88 :gentoo:

I like and I enjoy being a developer and package maintainer. The distro offers incredible flexibility to configure your system in any way you like.

But I really wish that didn't attract complete nutters who want to run Linux with mostly modern software but e.g. don't want udev on their systems.

(Similar situations arise with dbus, rust, etc., to say nothing of systemd)

Fine, you want to run built with clang and link-time optimization; linked with mold; using musl libc, libressl, slibtool; maximum hardened CFLAGS; SELinux; all on an aarch64 system runnning in big-endian mode. But please, just use udev.

Recent hilarity (from the same user, no less!)

- Package failed to build because `QtCore/qsystemdetection.h` was missing. Turns out the user didn't want anything related to systemd on his system, so he was removing anything that matched *systemd*.
- User wanted to be able to build Xorg with GLX support but *not* DRI, because it would save 0.4 MiB (12.8 MiB on-disk vs 12.4 MiB), and somehow this configuration was supposed to play Steam games.

@mattst88 *shrug* mdev works fine on my servers, but I'd absolutely not expect it to work out of the box on desktops.
Also when it's likely due to my unusual stuff, I tend to consider that the bug is on me.

Also reminds me of https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html

@lanodan But why? What's the advantage of using mdev?

@mattst88 To be fair, there was a time when udev pulled in systemd or parts thereof. I can understand people not liking that. #gentoo devs did a great job in disentangling udev.

@radon: udev in Gentoo is now just `sys-apps/systemd-utils[udev]`, which freaks some people out.

Even before that, it was just built from the systemd tarball...

And eudev was an embarrassment from beginning to end.

@radon @mattst88 they did a great job. Love it without systemd

@mattst88 They think it’s cool to hate these things because they read on 4chan that it’s cool to hate these things. Bloat, too much responsibility, etc. etc.

@speckledlemon dbus is the one that confuses me that most. I don't think I've even heard why people dislike it other than "I shouldn't need it" which is too vague to even question.