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I have a niggling feeling that some people complaining about toxic development communities are actually merely annoyed that they are *differently* toxic from the way they like it.

@monsieuricon I am a little torn on said situation as on the one hand I saw what felt toxic, then had constructive conversations after I did a post like yours which was noticed, then again we seem to be back again to what looks toxic to me...

Very much think you have the correct perspective on this topic.

I get being frustrated but as you say the answer has to be evolutionary. There are also good reasons for email that are just being ignored it is nuanced.

@ljs He's clearly not changing his opinion regardless, so I don't see the point of any continued discussion. It's just going to ruin my day. :)

@monsieuricon yeah what frustrates me is that you are actually trying to do things to evolve the situation, i.e. the kind of thing that will help evolve the process, and yet there is still no sensible conversation just carrying on with this 'let me attack other maintainers using my social media presence to kick up enough of a fuss to get my way' which is not constructive.