Recently, multiple #Linux #Podcasts I listen to, talked about the issue of "not being nice" to those on Linux who want to use proprietary software.
I think proprietary sw is a problem, especially if you run it on a personal device. However, sometimes it is hard to avoid it.
However, practical concerns should not affect advocacy. We should advocate for the "ideal" world we would like to see, and consider practical solutions as compromises one has to make in a non-ideal world.
@nicemicro I wouldn't actually mind me some proprietary software on Linux. Well, as long as it's containerised property and can't snoop around the system too much.
I think it's the lack of commerce in Linux ecosystem that is keeping the OS back from mass adoption and becoming a norm.
Android is a good example of how powerful could be
@kaievans And Android is also a good example of how much of a spyware infested hellscape it could be.
Your access controls and constraints are worthless if every app you get from the store refuses to work without you giving them access to your location, webcam, etc.
@nicemicro maybe so, but FOSS is also useless at replicating a lot of proprietary software. It's been 20 years, and I have my doubts it will ever happen.
the way I see it, solving the security problem is more approachable by FOSS community, than solving the lack of commercial grade software
@kaievans commercial grade software belongs on corporate machines that are not "personal" devices. As a corporation, you don't have privacy concerns. You might have corporate secrets, but you also probably have lawyers for such contingencies.
If Free Software will be unable to exploit regular people by trying to sell them overpriced "professional" software... we don't lose out on anything.
@colinsmatt11 @nicemicro sure thing, were not talking tautology here though. I'm talking simply about availability of commercial software options
FOSS doesn't even have a decent email/calendar client, let alone any specialised software for media production. Fuck it wouldn't even have a decent code editor if it's not for vs code ;)
And it will never have those because all FOSS cares about is software aka programming. And there is much more involved in making a great product that that
@lxo and that goes back to the main problem with gnu/foss philosophy, it's focus on software.
It's a great approach to produce tech, like Linux kernel for example, but it consistently failing to produce great products. Because great products involve much more than just software
@lxo Ill try this one time okay. just for the kicks of it.
just go and eyeball the number of success stories between FOSS, permissive OSS, and proprietary OSS projects
don't listen to me, look to the numbers. do you still think that production of the most useful software that advances the "civilisation" as you said, is a function of FOSS licensing?
@lxo yeah, right. While you're busy still fapping on supercomputers like it's 1999, proprietary software runs on billions of devices and powers the bulk of the economy
And don't give the whole Linux everyone nonsense.