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From Jason Gunthorpe, maintainer of 5 Linux kernel subsystems:
IMHO the current situation of Rust does not look like success. It is basically unusable except for unmerged toy projects and it is still not obvious when that will change.
Today I learned that my Apple AGX GPU driver, which is the kernel side to the world's first and only OpenGL and Vulkan certified conformant driver for Apple Silicon GPUs, and also the FOSS community's first fully reverse engineered driver to achieve OpenGL 4.6 conformance, and which is used by thousands of Asahi Linux users in production, and that literally has never had an oops bug in production systems not caused by shared C code (unlike basically every other Linux GPU driver), is "an unmerged toy project".
(He works for Nvidia, I guarantee he's heard of it, considering we beat nouveau and NVK to GL 4.6 conformance.)
I guess this is what Linux kernel maintainers think of us Rust developers, that we only write "toy projects"...
@lina please don’t equate what one random maintainer says to what “this is what all kernel maintainers think”. I’m a daily user of this work and have been extolling its virtues whenever I’ve chatted to people about it. Let’s not turn this into anymore of a rust vs the kernel slander fest than it already is.
@virtuous_sloth @lina nobody sees everything that’s going on, and won’t start policing in discussions that they aren’t even cc’ed on. And if I’m not cc’ed pn an email, I certainly won’t see it, too many other emails. My point is that throwing gas on the fire in the them vs us discourse isn’t useful imho, and neither is assigning one mentality to all maintainers as that’s provably false.
@virtuous_sloth @lina yeah maybe :-(