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take: the phrase "cloud native" needs to just die in a fire. It's so meaningless and it's used as a gatekeeping device these days.
I work on tools that make things that people consider "cloud native" or "container native" but apparently that's not enough to be considered either. 
And because of that, things are more difficult than they need to be.
@Conan_Kudo one of my favorite phrases is the only thing that’s cloud native is lightning
@Conan_Kudo Not even a hot take, "cloud native" is just marketing lingo for proprietary hosting services.
@purpleidea Hilariously, pretty much none of the real cloud providers use the phrase at all. Because it's stupid. Also telling your customers that they're doing it wrong to use your services is idiotic, so they don't do that either.
@Conan_Kudo The next hot take I want to read is what your criteria for being a "real cloud provider" is ;)
@purpleidea @Conan_Kudo At my baremetal k8s talk at SCaLE, I quoted the Google docs saying "cloud native" may not run on the cloud at all.
@lanodan @Conan_Kudo As long as nobody claims Microsoft is a "real cloud provider" then I'll accept any definitions.
@purpleidea @lanodan Wait, Azure uses the "cloud native" phrase? Where?!
@Conan_Kudo @lanodan Shows up everywhere. First hit: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/cloud-native-apps
@purpleidea @lanodan Wow, my respect for Azure dropped a little today. 
@Conan_Kudo @purpleidea @lanodan you have respect for azure? 
@xarvos @purpleidea @lanodan I have friends that work on Azure. I respect them plenty.
The Azure product...? 
@Conan_Kudo Universal Blue uses this term a lot, it’s funny when some people think it’s referring to a cloud based OS.
@that_leaflet It's such terrible branding for U-Blue. 
@Conan_Kudo @that_leaflet
Personal opinion, I really wish there was a better term.
@Conan_Kudo @that_leaflet We don't really do marketing.
The reason we use it is because desktop people don't.