@rmblaber1956 @DoomsdaysCW @breadandcircuses
Burn them! And use their coal.
(That is assuming that PFAS does not survive 450°C over 15 minutes)
Googled it. It needs 700+°C that would make low quality coal, but still doable.
@rmblaber1956 @DoomsdaysCW @breadandcircuses
Burn them! And use their coal.
(That is assuming that PFAS does not survive 450°C over 15 minutes)
Googled it. It needs 700+°C that would make low quality coal, but still doable.
802 #NoClimateSolution #ButStill.. #Plastic
I don't think #OilRecycling is anything near a solution ! Transport should be electric.
But I'm fascinated by the proces. Plastic is a waste, after all [in general].
"I MADE MY OWN GAS STATION! ️ Plastic to Fuel Baby#science #naturejab #education #pyrolysis #fyp"
by naturejab [Dec 3, 2024]
----- Interested in a longer version:
---> "I made my own gas station! Fueled by Plastic Waste + LDPE Analysis Run Part 1" <- [13:28 min]
---> youtube.com/watch?v=NYDj-gD2GWg <-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KmaqXJPlPLw
#TakeCareForLife #TakeCareForEarth
#StopBurningThings #StopEcoside #StopThePlunder
#ClimateBreakDown #StopRapingNature
The second stage is just taking the CO and H2 (syngas) released by the #pyrolysis process and burn them to heat your bricks.
The actual gas released is probably much more oily, dusty and CO2 rich than it would ideally be. A lot of contents will be less pyrolysed and more distilled off the wood and partially burnt -_-
Im not sure, if that has enough energy to run the brick oven.
It may be possible to run that in as additional feed into the oven and keep the normal wood thing.
4/x
I think it should be possible, but no idea how realistic it is in the actual setting.
The idea is to have a 2 staged burn:
- Stage 1 is basically a smoke generator. This means it would heat up the sawdust to ~400°C to start the #pyrolysis reaction.
Ideally this means that the wood will basically break into its chemical base components: C and CO and H
If the wood input is dry enough the reaction should be self sustaining but letting in a bit of oxygen can make sure.
1/x
I DO understand your point. But there is science for it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms1053
The CO2 neutral for wood burning is not true, because transport etc makes the whole thing CO2 negative. But #pyrolysis conserves quite a lot of CO2 as pure C. Way more than is needed for transport etc.
So on a decades+ view is CO2 negative for sure.
Your point about it not being CO2 negative short term might true.
I personally use collected dead wood so CO2 should preferable to methane.
In case anybody wants to talk about #biochar or #pyrolysis feel free to ping/DM me.
I'm here to talk about it!
I don't have the paper right now, but #pyrolysis could sequester 8% of current emissions. So quite a bit better :-)
It works because plants do the direct air capture. The exhaust from the pyrolysis oven could then be captured much more feasible.
#pyrolysis puts out coal chunks from plants which take CO2 from the air. So not all tech is litterally compressing CO2 and pumping it into the ground.
Another alternative would be to process the CO2 to plastics and then landfill the plastic after use.
Sure it can still kind of leak, but solids leak way less than gases.
i just wanted to note:
#pyrolysis and this should combine well. A oven has an exhaust and that tech could be hooked on that exhaust and sniff like 50% pure CO2
@GreenFire
errr... why not just use plants? I expected it to be satire tbh
plants + #pyrolysis do the exact thing you talk about AND are self replicating AND adapting to environmental changes
The Pyrolysis of Biosolids in a Novel Closed Coupled Pyrolysis and Gasification Technology: Pilot Plant Trials, Aspen Plus Modelling, and a Techno-Economic Analysis. #biosolids #wastewater #pyrolysis #modelling https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/16/23/3399
The Pyrolysis of Biosolids in a Novel Closed Coupled Pyrolysis and Gasification Technology: Pilot Plant Trials, Aspen Plus Modelling, and a Techno-Economic Analysis. #biosolids #wastewater #pyrolysis #modelling https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/16/23/3399
Non-recyclable waste is a global challenge. One Community’s open-source Highest Good Housing Plan explores sustainable solutions for handling this waste at small and large scales.
For small communities, composting, biogas digesters, and local recycling centers are viable. Large-scale technologies like gasification and pyrolysis convert waste into energy.
I really enjoyed working with Anne and Alex on this piece about #chemical #recycling for @ConversationUS
our take-home messages are that a) a recent #meta_analysis concludes plastic-to-#plastic chemical recycling can have a climate benefit, but plastic-to-energy doesn't
b) most #pyrolysis #oil is destined for transportation fuel, &
c) the plastic waste stream is too complex & contaminated for most #chemicalrecycling so most plants don't reach capacity
@kornel there’s a recent meta-analysis of life-cycle assessments focused on #climate impacts. It’s one of the better I’ve seen. The authors are much more sanguine than I have been on climate benefits of #pyrolysis or #gasification to remake polymers. Importantly, so-called #energy recovery from #plastic always pencils out poorly. Given that most oil goes to transportation, it’s a clear loser as enacted. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352550924001453
Selling a Mirage
"Now, the [#FossilFuel and #plastics] industry is heralding nothing short of a miracle: an “advanced” type of recycling known as #pyrolysis It uses heat to break plastic all the way down to its molecular building blocks.
Under all the math & engineering, I found an inconvenient truth: Not much is being recycled at all, nor is pyrolysis capable of curbing the plastic crisis.
Not now. Maybe not ever."
https://www.propublica.org/article/delusion-advanced-chemical-plastic-recycling-pyrolysis
Deep dive by the awesome @lisalsong for @ProPublica
"the industry’s revolutionary pyrolysis method: It relies heavily on extracting #fossilfuels. At least 90% of the naphtha used in #pyrolysis is fossil fuel naphtha...
So at the end of the day, nothing that comes out of pyrolysis physically contains more than 10% recycled material (though experts and studies have shown that, in practice, it’s more like 5% or 2%)."
- @ProPublica
https://www.propublica.org/article/delusion-advanced-chemical-plastic-recycling-pyrolysis
The Delusion of “Advanced” Plastic #Recycling
The #plastics industry has heralded a type of chemical recycling it claims could replace new shopping bags and candy wrappers with old ones — but not much is being recycled at all, and this method won’t curb the crisis.
#News #Pyrolysis #Chemicals #Evironment #Plastic #Pollution #Science
https://www.propublica.org/article/delusion-advanced-chemical-plastic-recycling-pyrolysis
Successful conclusion to the project “EAG2-Rec“: Four options for the sustainable treatment of #waste electrical and electronic equipment in Ghana have been developed, ranging from low-tech options for the recovery of ferrous metals to iCycle®'s high-tech #pyrolysis technology.
For details please visit https://s.fhg.de/WEEEghana
#Methane #pyrolysis is the process in which thermal energy is applied to methane (CH₄) to break the chemical bond between carbon and hydrogen, generating hydrogen gas and a solid carbon product with no CO2 emissions.
The case for methane pyrolysis:
It’s less polluting than other large scale methods, and can be made with zero emissions. Hydrogen production comes classified in many colors, with each representing a different way the fuel is produced. Other methods, such as those used to produce Blue and Gray hydrogen, have significant drawbacks in that they produce as much as 10 times as much carbon dioxide as hydrogen in the manufacturing process. Although carbon capture can reduce these emissions, the technology is not available everywhere and significantly increases overall energy consumption.
For methane pyrolysis, the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory projects a decrease in carbon dioxide emissions by 85 percent or more (roughly 1.5kg CO2e/kg H2), depending on how the process is heated
— for example, burning some of the produced hydrogen, or using renewable electricity as a heat source, will result in zero emissions.
It’s less energy intensive than current methods, even green hydrogen. Although green hydrogen (where the fuel is produced using renewable electricity) has the potential to become a long-term solution, it must first represent a low product and transition cost for industry.
Green hydrogen also requires vast amounts of energy to conduct the electrolysis necessary to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. One methane pyrolysis method can produce hydrogen using eight times less energy than is used in green hydrogen. This is an important consideration when assessing energy needs and where renewable power should be deployed.
It's an efficient use for otherwise-polluting methane.
Methane currently accounts for roughly 20 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, and although it is more short-lived in our atmosphere than carbon dioxide, its heating effects are 25 times more pronounced.
Methane capture from oil and gas sites, livestock farms, and landfills has not seen widespread adoption (but recent high natural gas prices have incentivized actors to consider capturing — and burning — methane).
By reconstituting this polluting gas into a useful hydrogen fuel, methane pyrolysis can both redirect methane away from the atmosphere and incentivize its capture for cleaner use.
It’s rampable/scalable with renewables.
If methane pyrolysis is generated using microwaves (see the Aurora Hydrogen case study) the hydrogen fuel can be generated immediately with no heat up/ramp up times, allowing it to scale with a future grid powered by intermittent renewable energy sources. This feature of microwave-enabled methane pyrolysis allows for reliable hydrogen generation on a future grid, as well as the potential to provide clean back up power generation should the need arise.
Its byproduct, carbon black, is a valuable product.
Methane pyrolysis produces two things: Hydrogen and a solid carbon product known as carbon black. Carbon black is widely used in manufacturing tires, plastics, mechanical rubber goods, printing inks, and toners. It also has strong insulative properties and is used to insulate wires and cables.
The global market for carbon black is projected to grow from $13.22 billion in 2022 to $18.09 billion by 2029. The current source for carbon black is from the thermal decomposition of raw, heavy petroleum material, such as ethylene cracking, coal tar, or fluid catalytic cracking tar and has an emissions intensity of 3.3 kg CO2/kg of carbon black produced. This is more than double the projected emissions from methane pyrolysis.
Several pyrolysis companies also claim the ability to produce various forms of carbon nanotube products, which are of extreme value and offer diverse use cases across the electronics and chemical industries. The global carbon nanotubes market size was valued at $38.54 billion in 2022 and it is projected to be worth around $105 billion by 2030.