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Frank Müller 🌻The <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/internet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#internet</a> has been invented to connect independent servers based on common protocols. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mail</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Web" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Web</a> and so many more. Why do so many people use single providers for these services, i.e. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#gmail</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/x" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#x</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#discord</a> or <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/medium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#medium</a>?Please, take care for independence. Don’t only use those big players and think of multiple provider environments like the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> .

1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsI don't know how useful it really is, but the automated account <a href="https://bot.pnpde.social/@frpnewsnet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@frpnewsnet</a> gives updates on the newest <a href="https://dice.camp/tags/ttrpg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ttrpg</a>-related <a href="https://dice.camp/tags/usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#usenet</a> / <a href="https://dice.camp/tags/netnews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#netnews</a> posts (as seen on <a href="https://campaignwiki.org/news" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://campaignwiki.org/news</a> ).It specifically (hopefully) posts updates on the rec.games.frp.* and the campaignwiki.* hierarchies.

njsg<a href="https://graz.social/@publicvoit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@publicvoit</a> I'd say netnews' approach to multiple conversations is quite good. Probably goes in hand with careful use of Subject: changes and with a client whose UI shows threading in a usable way.Meanwhile, Mastodon doesn't show proper threading in the official UI and could also make at least subthreads directly accessible from feeds (hey, if it's so heavy in order to be dynamic, why not do this while at it?)<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Usenet</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a>

njsg<a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@mms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mms</a> format is similar, distribution is different. Some months ago, or maybe it was last year, someone wrote (or linked) a paper on the (early?) history of USENET that made the rounds in the fediverse.I don't have the reference handy, though. Hopefully someone else has. <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/netnews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#netnews</a>

njsg<a href="https://scalie.zone/@aks" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@aks</a> I'd even say that *and netnews*, but I'm probably biased as a long-time Gwene user :-P(still, I'd say the fediverse is a good way to get additional information about some topics - but that's not the same as a news outlet. I frequently get things about fipol here on Mastodon, along with posts about a few tech articles, and it's also how I first learned of CVE-2024-3094)(multipost 1/2)<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Gwene" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gwene</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/netnews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#netnews</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/RSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RSS</a>

njsg<a href="https://hispagatos.space/@rek2" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@rek2</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/@Killab33z_OG" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Killab33z_OG</a> <a href="https://writing.exchange/@matt" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@matt</a> I still feel that Mastodon would gain a lot with a client designed like a <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> client, with as much deduplication as possible, and with read v. unread flags. But I tend to treat <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> as something to read from begin thru end, which might not be what the official UIs (or maybe even the server-side software) were built for...(I haven't tried <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/lemmy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lemmy</a> so far.)

njsg<a href="https://8bit.red/@charadon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@charadon</a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@davidrevoy</a> So it will join irc.mozilla.org and news.mozilla.org...Yes, remember when Mozilla still had their own IRC server and their own NetNews service (this one hosted by Giganews)?(Speaking of irc.mozilla.org, anyone knows what happened with <a href="http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/</a>? Is it available under a different domain?)<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Mozilla</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

njsg<a href="https://nrw.social/@doerk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@doerk</a> USENET is still active. There are some free servers around, some of which require registration, others don't.To name a few, Motzarella/Eternal-September[1], news.neodome.net, Solani[2].Also see [3] for some groups to check, to which I'd add the comp.unix.* subtree.[1] <a href="http://www.eternal-september.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://www.eternal-september.org/</a> [2] <a href="https://solani.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://solani.org/</a> [3] <a href="https://mastodon.scot/@CGM/112702185132813893" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mastodon.scot/@CGM/112702185132813893</a><a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a>

njsg<a href="https://pleroma.envs.net/users/job" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@job</a> this is one of the major issues I have with some Mastodon interfaces. <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Brutaldon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Brutaldon</a> does this too, I think, but at least it's light. Now <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/MastodonWebUI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MastodonWebUI</a> doing this with all the processing power it requires is ludicrous.Yeah, I'm eventually going to end up with a Mastodon client that is pretty much a <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> client...

njsg<a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@unknown231" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@unknown231</a> <a href="https://emacs.ch/@mms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mms</a> I don't see how the existence of a specific kind of client interface addresses this. One benefit would really be to be able to plug any <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> client, not just graphical ones.

njsg<a href="https://freeradical.zone/@rolltime" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@rolltime</a> meanwhile, <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a>, <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> and <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Email</a> ask "what was that? did you hear that? no? oh well." and just carry on :-P

njsgTo: <a href="https://mastodon.scot/@CGM" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@CGM</a> Cc: <a href="https://emacs.ch/@mms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mms</a> Is this overall activity in the groups or specifically activity via your front-end? (Just wondering; I never visited most of the groups in that list, so I might look into some of them! :-) )<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

njsg<a href="https://chaos.social/@uliwitness" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@uliwitness</a> Nothing wrong about being text-based, or nothing non-modern about it. But there *are* GUI clients and isn't <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/GopherVR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GopherVR</a> also a thing?One of the strengths about systems such as <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/Gopher" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gopher</a>, <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> and <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a> is that they're interface-agnostic, you can have a 3D gopher client or a comic-strip IRC client, even if other clients are designed to work nicely in a <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/terminal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#terminal</a> or terminal emulator.

njsg<a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@unknown231" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@unknown231</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@DrHyde" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@DrHyde</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/@yayroos" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@yayroos</a> Not sure it matters for the original question, but, yes, really, there are a lot of people using <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a>, several groups are active. <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

njsg<a href="https://mastodon.social/@nicholas_saunders" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@nicholas_saunders</a> <a href="https://toot.wales/@ChrisWere" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ChrisWere</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@zeruch" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@zeruch</a> There might be people who complain about the lack of emojis, stickers, image, video support in <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IRC</a>.Even if that should be possible in IRC (especially client-side embedding of images and other media), and emojis might just need UCS support, I still think the not so heavy use of these is a *benefit* of IRC.But, given the route e.g. Discord takes, the major benefit of IRC is being an open protocol where you can use any compatible client. Same for <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>.

njsg<a href="https://emacs.ch/@yeti" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@yeti</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@dillo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@dillo</a> /me again wonders why <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/MastodonWebUI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MastodonWebUI</a> stopped linkifying news: addressesSure, I can copy and paste in another tab, but this is still a downgrade from the previous behaviour...(Sorry for the OT)<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

njsg<a href="https://dice.camp/@kyonshi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kyonshi</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Methylcobalamin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Methylcobalamin</a> it'd be awesome if they at least didn't ruin the archives because of that. Google has archives for mozilla.support.seamonkey (not <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a> proper, but one of the groups on a <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a> server that was hosted by GigaNews, news.mozilla.org (not available anymore)).... but doesn't display anything because somebody must have flagged some of the spam, and Google's response to that is to block access to the entire group archive, and then ignore requests to revert the block...

njsg<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Methylcobalamin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Methylcobalamin</a> People are still on comp.os.linux.misc, it is active. Spam was being injected via Google's servers, and some news servers either had more elaborate filtering in place, or just rejected anything from Google, making this and other affected groups usable.Currently, <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/GoogleGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GoogleGroups</a> is not getting any new content because when an internal ticket about the spam was escalated enough, the decision was apparently to cut the feed instead of fixing the spam problem.<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

njsg<a href="https://mastodon.scot/@starraven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@starraven</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@dangillmor" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@dangillmor</a> (And I mean "Internet resource", not "web resource". Why did <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/MastodonWebUI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MastodonWebUI</a> stop linkifying news: URLs? There is <a href="https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27251" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27251</a> but I think this was actually working in early 2023?)Also, besides (from what I read in other replies) some browsers already having this, could web browser extensions be a thing for this? E.g. a "fediverse share" extension? Or is that too complex/undesirable?(And yes, despite all this, it'd be good for visibility)<a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/USENET" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USENET</a> <a href="https://social.sdf.org/tags/NetNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NetNews</a>

lorddimwit is now @rk@well.comThis is gonna drive me crazy. There was a newsreader (<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/netnews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#netnews</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#usenet</a>) that had a warning before you sent a message like “this program sends messages to hundreds if not thousands of sites, be sure you know what you’re doing”I think it was netnews. Maybe <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FidoNet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FidoNet</a>? Maybe I’m remembering something site-local that I thought was widespread…Don’t know why I’m thinking of this. Popped into my head randomly.

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