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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴<a href="https://mastodon.social/@LillyHerself" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@LillyHerself</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/USpol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#USpol</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermism</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TESCREAL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TESCREAL</a>(2/2)Like I said, a lot in common with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SocialDarwinism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SocialDarwinism</a> in this respect.Giving little or no value to "unworthy lives" is very much in line with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fascism</a>, in particular of the type practiced by the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ThirdReich" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ThirdReich</a>. Ad extremis, some important <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a> would even go as far as annihilating 3 billion people to achieve the end of making humanity a "multi-planetary species:" 3)What we are seeing is just the beginning.3) <a href="https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111080048646037206" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111080048646037206</a>

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴<a href="https://mastodon.social/@LillyHerself" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@LillyHerself</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermist</a> Mike <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ElonMusk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ElonMusk</a> who thinks that even his own trans daughter has lost her value for humanity, as she cannit fulfill her biological destiny anymore, for instance?In earlier times, what you mention would've been very much in line with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SocialDarwinism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SocialDarwinism</a>, too.And if you think of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a>' believe of making <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/humanity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#humanity</a> a multi-planetary species, that is going to cost hundreds if billions. We cannot support "suckers."Said to say, but here we are.

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴<a href="https://dair-community.social/@timnitGebru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@timnitGebru</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Technofeudalists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Technofeudalists</a> and the perceived <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AI</a> threat incongruence(1/n) I'm surprised that you as an <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AI</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TESCREAL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TESCREAL</a> expert See a discrepancy in this. For the morbid and haughty minds of the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a> like <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Elon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Elon</a>, there is no discrepancy, IMHO:1) At least since Goebbels, fascists offen acuse others of what they have done or are about to do themselves; or they deflect, flood the zone, etc. That on a tactical/communications strategy level.2) More...

Max Leibman has moved!People who aren’t actively working to sustain and renew the one planet we have do not get to lecture the rest of us on “what we owe the future.” <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/longtermism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermism</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermists</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/tescreal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#tescreal</a>

fhekland<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lproven</a> what scares me is if this scenario is true and some people in power knows yet carries on as if everything is fine. That's pretty omnicidal. I don't know whether <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermists</a> are just climate crisis deniers, or they know and this is all a diversion while they plan to live in caves underground. But with a sterile Earth in 1500yrs, talking about humanity in a million years is just bonkers.

FeralRobotsI've been told the concept of 'owing to the future' was pitched as antidote to 'future discounting', but it ends up supporting the same ends.Wingnuts used <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FutureDiscounting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FutureDiscounting</a> to argue that climate change mitigation didn't make financial sense, & so, should not be done. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a> use <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ExistentialRisk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ExistentialRisk</a>-language to argue hypothetical future lives resulting from an astronomically unlikely scenario are of greater value than billions of living humans, so nothing should be done.Same result.

Chuck DarwinFor <a href="https://c.im/tags/longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermists</a>, there is nothing worse than succumbing to an <a href="https://c.im/tags/existential" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#existential</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/risk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#risk</a>: That would be the ultimate tragedy, since it would keep us from plundering our "<a href="https://c.im/tags/cosmic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#cosmic</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/endowment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#endowment</a>" — resources like stars, planets, asteroids and energy — which many longtermists see as integral to fulfilling our "longterm potential" in the universe.What sorts of catastrophes would instantiate an existential risk? The obvious ones are nuclear <a href="https://c.im/tags/war" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#war</a>, global <a href="https://c.im/tags/pandemics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#pandemics</a> and runaway <a href="https://c.im/tags/climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#climate</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/change" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#change</a>. But Bostrom also takes seriously the idea that we already live in a giant computer <a href="https://c.im/tags/simulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#simulation</a> that could get shut down at any moment (yet another idea that <a href="https://c.im/tags/Musk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Musk</a> seems to have gotten from Bostrom). Bostrom further lists "<a href="https://c.im/tags/dysgenic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#dysgenic</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/pressures" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#pressures</a>" as an existential risk, whereby less "intellectually talented" people (those with "<a href="https://c.im/tags/lower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lower</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/IQs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#IQs</a>") outbreed people with <a href="https://c.im/tags/superior" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#superior</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/intellects" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#intellects</a>

Amaru Ca 💙 🐈‍⬛️ :autism: 🌙<a href="https://toot.wales/@fkamiah17" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@fkamiah17</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PJ_Evans" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@PJ_Evans</a> <a href="https://dice.camp/@jamesgraham" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@jamesgraham</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/@Greenseer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Greenseer</a> And then there's this. Worth the read. This bunch work very well with the <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a>, <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Posthumanists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Posthumanists</a> etc, having common cause, tho from different perceptions & angles."Even if billions..perish in the coming climate catastrophe... we shouldn’t be too concerned" <a href="https://aeon.co/essays/why-longtermism-is-the-worlds-most-dangerous-secular-credo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://aeon.co/essays/why-longtermism-is-the-worlds-most-dangerous-secular-credo</a>  As for us? They're happy to "let nature take its course" for us via plagues, poverty, climate disasters & pre-emptive wars.

FeralRobotsWhen talking about <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/longtermism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermism</a> it's utterly crucial to remember that we're not talking about FUTURE people, we're talking about HYPOTHETICAL people.'Future' presumes they're actually going to happen. In fact the likelihood of any scenario remotely resembling the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/longtermist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermist</a> future is vanishingly small.So <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#longtermists</a> are willing to sacrifice billions of now-living people for a bizarre, essentially counter-factual fantasy.

Bastian Blankenburg 🤝 🛡Longtermism, billionairs, nazism

Jim Donegan 🎵 ✅<a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/ElonMusk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ElonMusk</a> and the Longtermists: What Do They Want? <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_M64BSzcRY&ab_channel=SabineHossenfelder" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_M64BSzcRY&ab_channel=SabineHossenfelder</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/SabineHossenfelder" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SabineHossenfelder</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Futurology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Futurology</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Longtermist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermist</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Longtermists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Longtermists</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/ExistentialRisk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ExistentialRisk</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/ExistentialRisks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ExistentialRisks</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Risk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Risk</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Risks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Risks</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Philosophy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Logic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Logic</a>

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