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@Laberpferd @molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor personally I do shun them not only because #PhoneNumbers are #PII they should not be allowed to request (just like I think no telco should ne allowed to request an ID for a prepaid SIM, where unlike prostpaid there is no "legitimate interest" in KYC'ing someone to prevent fraudsters from generating debt against someone else).

In fact, if #Signal / @signalapp wasn't a #HoneyPot like #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield it would've been #hacked like #EncroChat and banned for refusing to integrate #GovwareBackdoors, #LawfulInterception and violating #Sanctions on top of #CloudAct-noncompliance and I assure you noone there gets paid to take that risk - just like with "logless VPNs"...

X (formerly Twitter)thaddeus e. grugq (@thegrugq) on XI’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g