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The Cowardly Little Otter 🦦

A "baseball bat to the face" is the most explicit invocation of an anti-gay hate crime I can imagine.

It is *the* classic form of gay-bashing murder.

These are three different people he has fantasized about gay bashing.

And most of his targets are not white.

From left to right, we have posts about:

- A Black, queer Muslim.

- A disabled gay man.

- A nonbinary Latine person.

All three did nothing but stand up against Ro's queerphobia, transphobia or racism.

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The Cowardly Little Otter 🦦

Unlike Ro and WelshPixie, I have receipts.

And my receipts make sense. You can read them. They are very detailed.

I am not counting Ro calling random trans women "racist" as evidence.

But the fact that he gets called out on his queerphobia is the only "evidence" he ever has.

You don't just accidentally attack trans women, over and over, in the middle of genocide.

That's something you only do on purpose.

#Fediblock #fediblockmeta

mastodon.social/@fedilore/1142

MastodonThe Fedilore Otter 🦦 (@fedilore@mastodon.social)This is Ro promoting queerphobic "groomer" conspiracy theories: https://mastodon.social/@fedilore/114282494991793848 This is Ro repeatedly fantasizing about doing gay bashings, targetting queer people of colour: https://mastodon.social/@fedilore/112961802029805219 Here's an investigation of Ro using the word "queers" over a two month period, primarily as a slur: https://mastodon.social/@fedilore/113211217517705457 Here's a specific example of Ro immediately responding with anti-Asian racism, against criticism from queer PoC: https://mastodon.social/@fedilore/113178988246440375
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The Cowardly Little Otter 🦦

The other side is the queer people that Ro attacks.

Yes Ro experiences racism on fedi. A ton of it.

Mostly from the Nazi instances any responsible admin has already blocked, but a decent amount from tech bros too.

But that's not who Ro attacks.

Ro almost exclusively attacks queer people.

And the people they go after the hardest are trans women and queer people of colour.

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william.maggos

I don't go to a podcast's site and expect to be able to search for and see all podcasts. Similarly I shouldn't go to a #SocialWeb server and expect there to be a search there that shows me all the fedi accounts. Nothing about my blog on the open web determines what sites I can visit in a browser (while it can limit who can leave comments etc). Separate our accounts from the creating/consuming tool.

We need to learn some lessons from the most popular forms of decentralized media.

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william.maggos

lots of fedi servers have actually moderated my account for NOT #WishingIll on certain folks.

the new #bluesky hubbub could provide us an opportunity to reconsider moderation norms here and show how we're different and better, but "safety first except for the bad people who should be abused and the distinction is obvious" seems to be the popular policy here. my best go-to for censorious lefties is always "so how do we deal with people who think hating Israel is antisemitic"?

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william.maggos

If this is correct, why would any server want to federate with a server with that term in their domain name? Shouldn't you assume that their users would intentionally try to annoy your users? Thus making the overall fedi a place most people wouldn't want to spend time in? The politics do not matter. They are welcoming/encouraging the one legal thing we should be trying hardest to deter here. Obviously unwanted mentions. Basically the worst version of spam. #fediblockmeta

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitpost

en.wikipedia.orgShitposting - Wikipedia
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just, like, as a general note:

if you're using fediblock to report a single account on an instance, it'd be real helpful to include things like when it was first reported to that instance's moderators, and if you know if they've declined to take action or just haven't gotten to it yet.

because a lot of these posts are about accounts that are suspended before I even see them

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Serge from Babka

Often when I point out antisemitic hate speech on Mastodon.Social, a German person will tell me about the law in Germany and how M.S must remove certain types of hate speech because of the law there.

I get these messages from Germans every couple of weeks.

The problem is that only applies to a very narrow set of posts, and not other forms of antisemitic speech or hate speech generally.

Mastodon.Social complies with the law, but *just* the law.

They can say "We remove hate speech" and then define that as "Whatever German law says is hate speech."

Which to some means "Anything which is not removed must not be hate speech."

If you want to have hate speech removed because it's illegal in Germany, please do so, but let's not fool ourselves that if m.s does this that it means they care about hate speech, Jews, or any other minorities in their moderation.

Caring about legal compliance isn't the same as caring about people.

#HateSpeech#FediBlockMeta#Antisemitism
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Serge from Babka

Whenever I post a Fediantisemitism post, the real question in my mind is about the admin of the server where the post is and whether they'll take the reports seriously.

I feel like that's really the key question, and one that's often lost in the anonymity of an instance.

The moral failure of the account being reported is no longer in question, but the morality of the admin/mods is.

Will they take appropriate action, or will they approve of hate speech (either directly or tacidly).

That's the real question.

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Jupiter Rowland
@Ulrich (Hubzilla) Höchstwahrscheinlich haben die Macher von Bonfire überhaupt nicht gewußt, daß es Hubzilla gibt. Ich habe mal eine Umfrage gesehen, da hat jemand auf Mastodon in seiner Bubble gefragt, ob die Leute schon mal was von Hubzilla gehört haben. Drei Viertel hatten noch nie was davon gehört. Und wenn jemand Hubzilla kennt, dann ist er höchstwahrscheinlich in einer Bubble, in der Hubzilla an sich bekannter ist.

Ich schätze, selbst heute wissen mindestens 75-90% aller Fediverse-Nutzer nicht, daß es Hubzilla gibt, geschweige denn, was Hubzilla kann. (Vielleicht gar nicht schlecht; wenn eine kritische Masse auf Mastodon von Hubzilla, seinen Features und vor allem seiner Kultur wüßte, dann gäbe es sicherlich Initiativen zum totalen Fediblocken von ganz Hubzilla.)

Und als Tim Berners-Lee Solid startete, hatte er auch noch nie von Hubzilla gehört. Jetzt geht er mit voller Absicht in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Hubzilla, die er glaubt, mit Marktmacht, großem Namen und Propaganda gewinnen zu können.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Bonfire #Solid #FediblockMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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Jupiter Rowland
Are you referring to my mentions being @Erik :heart_agender: and @Roknrol rather than what you're used to, namely @⁠bright_helpings and @⁠roknrol? Using the long name rather than the short name and keeping the @ outside the link rather than making it part of the link? Likewise, the # being outside the hashtag link rather than being part of it?

This is because I'm not on Mastodon. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It has never been. So this is not a toot.

No, really. This is what I post from: https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland, https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/profile/jupiter_rowland. I ask you: Does this look like Mastodon? Have you ever seen Mastodon look like this?

Where I am, this style of mentions and hashtags is hard-coded. And it has been since long before Mastodon was even an idea.

I'm on something named Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon fork either. Hubzilla has got absolutely nothing to do with Mastodon at all.

It is its very own project, fully independent from Mastodon (https://hubzilla.org, https://framagit.org/hubzilla, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla).

Hubzilla has not intruded into "the Mastodon Fediverse" either. The Fediverse is older than Mastodon. And Hubzilla was there before Mastodon.

Hubzilla was launched by @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in March, 2015, eight months before Mastodon, by renaming and redesigning his own Red Matrix from 2012, almost four years before Mastodon. And the Red Matrix was a fork of a fork of his own Friendica, which was launched on July 2nd, 2010, 15 years ago, five and a half years before Mastodon. (https://en.wikipedia.org/Friendica, https://friendi.ca, https://github.com/friendica, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica)

Friendica was there before Mastodon, too.

Here's the official Friendica/Hubzilla timeline on Hubzilla's official website to show you that I'm not making anything up: https://hubzilla.org/page/info/timeline. Scroll all the way down and notice all the features that you may right now know for a fact that the Fediverse doesn't have, but that Friendica has introduced to the Fediverse 15 years ago, five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.

Again, Mastodon has never been its own network. The Fediverse has never been only Mastodon. When Mastodon was launched in January, 2016, it immediately federated with

Friendica has been formatting mentions and hashtags the way I just did for 15 years now. When Mastodon was launched, Friendica has been formatting them that way for five and a half years already, and Hubzilla has done so for ten months. It is hard-coded there. It is not a user option.

That's because not everything in the Fediverse is a Twitter clone or Twitter alternative. [b]Friendica was designed as a Facebook alternative with full-blown long-form blogging capability. And Hubzilla adds even more stuff to this. This is why Friendica and Hubzilla don't mimic Twitter.

Another shocking fact: As you can clearly see here, Friendica and Hubzilla don't have Mastodon's 500-character limit. Friendica's character limit is 200,000. Hubzilla's character limit is 16,777,215, the maximum length of the database field. And it's deeply engrained in their culture, which is many years older than Mastodon's culture, to not worry about the length of a post exceeding 500 characters.

One more shocking fact: Friendica has had quote-posts since its very beginning. So has Hubzilla. Both have always been able to quote-post any public Mastodon toot, and they will forever remain able to quote-post any public Mastodon toot. And Mastodon will never be able to do anything against it. (By the way: In 15 years of Friendica, nobody has ever used quote-posts for dogpiling or harassment purposes. Neither Friendica nor Hubzilla is Twitter.)

You find this disturbing? You think none of this should exist in the Fediverse, even though all this has been in the Fediverse for longer than Mastodon?

Then go ahead and block all instances of Friendica and Hubzilla as well as all instances of Mike's later creations, (streams) (https://codeberg.org/streams/streams) from 2021 and Forte (https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte) from 2024.

Or you could go ask @Seirdy / DM me the word "bread" and @Garden Fence Blocklist as well as @Mad Villain of @The Bad Space to add every last instance on any of these lists to their blocklists for being "rampantly and unabashedly ableist and xenophobic by design" due to not being and acting and working like Mastodon and just as rampantly and unabashedly refusing to fully adopt and adapt to the Mastodon-centric "Fediverse culture" as defined by fresh Twitter refugees on Mastodon in mid-2022 as well as refusing to abandon their own culture which is disturbingly incompatible with Mastodon's. Essentially try and have four entire Fediverse server applications Fediblocked once and for all because they're so disturbing from a "Fediverse equals Mastodon" point of view.

Or you could go to Mastodon's GitHub repository (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon), submit a feature request for defederating Mastodon from everything that isn't Mastodon by design and then go lobbying for support for your feature request.

As for why I have so many hashtags below my comments, here is what they mean. Many of them are meant to trigger filters, including such that automatically hide posts behind content warning buttons, a feature that Mastodon has had since October, 2022, that Friendica has had since July, 2010, and that Hubzilla has had since March, 2015.

  • #Long, #LongPost = This post is over 500 characters long. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see my or anyone else's long posts.
  • #CWLong, #CWLongPost = CW: long post (over 500 characters long). Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see my or anyone else's long posts.
  • #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta = This post talks about the Fediverse. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone talk about the Fediverse.
  • #CWFediMeta, #CWFediverseMeta = CW: Fediverse meta. Or: CW: Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta. Or: CW: Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone talk about the Fediverse.
  • #NotOnlyMastodon, #FediverseIsNotMastodon, #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse: This post talks about the Fediverse not only being Mastodon. Create a filter for either or multiple or all of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about the Fediverse being more than Mastodon. Otherwise, click or tap any of these hashtags to read more about it in your Fediverse app.
  • #Friendica: This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse named Friendica. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Friendica. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Hubzilla: This post talks about the Swiss army knif of the Fediverse named Hubzilla. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Hubzilla. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Streams, #(streams): This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse commonly referred to as (streams). Create a filter for either or both of them if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Friendica. Otherwise, click or tap either of them to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Forte: This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse named Forte. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Forte. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #AltText = This post talks about alt-text and/or contains an image with alt-text. It is primarily meant for post discovery.
  • #AltTextMeta = This post talks about alt-text. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about alt-text.
  • #CWAltTextMeta = CW: alt-text meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about alt-text.
  • #ImageDescription = This post talks about image descriptions and/or contains an image with an image description. It is primarily meant for post discovery.
  • #ImageDescriptions, #ImageDescriptionMeta = This post talks about image descriptions. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about image descriptions.
  • #CWImageDescriptionMeta = CW: image description meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about image descriptions.
  • #Hashtag, #Hashtags, #HashtagMeta = This post talks about hashtags. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about hashtags.
  • #CWHashtagMeta = CW: hashtag meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about hashtags.
  • #CharacterLimit, #CharacterLimits = This post is talking about character limits. It is primarily meant for post discovery. But if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about character limits, create a filter for any of these hashtags.
  • #QuotePost, #QuoteTweet, #QuoteToot, #QuoteBoost = This post talks about quote-posts and/or contains a quote-post. If this disturbs you, create a filter for any of these hashtags.
  • #QuotePosts, #QuoteTweets, #QuoteToots, #QuoteBoosts, #QuotedShares = This post talks about quote-posts. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about quote-posts.
  • #QuotePostDebate, #QuoteTootDebate = This post talks about quote-posts. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about quote-posts.
  • #FediblockMeta = This post is talking about fediblocks. It is primarily meant for post discovery.

Lastly: Having all hashtags in one line at the very end of a post that only contains hashtags is the preferred way in the Fediverse. For one, hashtags in their own line at the end of the post irritate screen reader users much less than hashtags in the middle of the text. It's actually hashtags in the middle of the text that are ableist. Besides, Mastodon is explicitly designed to have a separate hashtag line at the end of the post.
hub.netzgemeinde.euJupiter RowlandAn avatar roaming the decentralised and federated 3-D virtual worlds based on OpenSimulator, a free and open-source server-side re-implementation of Second Life. Mostly talking about OpenSim, sometimes about other virtual worlds, occasionally about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. No, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. If you're looking for real-life people posting about real-life topics, go look somewhere else. This channel is never about real life. Even if you see me on Mastodon, I'm not on Mastodon myself. I'm on [url=https://hubzilla.org]Hubzilla[/url] which is neither a Mastodon instance nor a Mastodon fork. In fact, it's older and much more powerful than Mastodon. And it has always been connected to Mastodon. I regularly write posts with way more than 500 characters. If that disturbs you, block me now, but don't complain. I'm not on Mastodon, I don't have a character limit here. I rather give too many content warnings than too few. But I have absolutely no means of blanking out pictures for Mastodon users. I always describe my images, no matter how long it takes. My posts with image descriptions tend to be my longest. Don't go looking for my image descriptions in the alt-text; they're always in the post text which is always hidden behind a content warning due to being over 500 characters long. If you follow me, and I "follow" you back, I don't actually follow you and receive your posts. Unless you've got something to say that's interesting to me within the scope of this channel, or I know you from OpenSim, I'll most likely deny you the permission to send me your posts. I only "follow" you back because Hubzilla requires me to do that to allow you to follow me. But I do let you send me your comments and direct messages. If you boost a lot of uninteresting stuff, I'll block you boosts. My "birthday" isn't my actual birthday but my rezday. My first avatar has been around since that day. If you happen to know German, maybe my "homepage" is something for you, a blog which, much like this channel, is about OpenSim and generally virtual worlds. #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenSim]OpenSim[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenSimulator]OpenSimulator[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds]VirtualWorlds[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse]Metaverse[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SocialVR]SocialVR[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=fedi22]fedi22[/zrl]
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william.maggos

proposal for a #FriendlyFederation norm

servers should block another server if they allow their users to harass users on other servers (unwanted mentions) or let their users pollute hashtags (use lots of unrelated tags in order to get unearned attention).

but servers should not block other servers because their users post untrue or offensive stuff, as long as nobody on other servers is tagged.

grow fedi via what worked for the web. open browsing while fighting spam.

#SocialWeb#fediblockmeta
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william.maggos

We can allow all legal speech (except harassment) on social media if we decentralize and get rid of the ads and corporate algos.

We have decades of experience to know how to do this. It's how the web and email work. We let people browse and post what they want, and we have spam blocking software to address having crap pushed at us. The magic/difference on good social media is the boosts (and that mods are needed for the nuance of non spam abuse).

So tired of these arguments.

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william.maggos

The Ancient Greeks understood the difference between the freedom to say anything (#parrhesia) and defending a wide equality in sharing ideas for the public good (#isegoria). Edgelords favor the former but their trolling deters speech, being an attack on the latter. To stand up for democracy and an open culture, we must be harsh towards efforts to force speech on others but gentle with any actions that limit anybody's access to others' speech. #fediblockmeta #SocialWeb

theatlantic.com/politics/archi

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Evidentemente en estos momentos no estoy bien. La poca paz que tenía aquí se quebró y con esto pienso dejar el fedi por un tiempo, aunque no de manera permanente porque bueno... no tengo a donde más ir.

Yo no busco hacer un contra fediblock y pedir que bloquen a esta persona poque es caer en el juego de "me hicieron ahora yo hago". Mi trabajo me ha costado salir de esa clase de actitudes de niño chiquito.

Yo soy de la idea de que si se quiere que el fediverso en su conjunto sea un lugar pluricultural, de interacciones sanas y de provecho no se consigue mediante intimación, amenazas y acoso. Se hace fomentando el diálogo, las acciones inclusivas como el fomentar poner los alts, evitar 'doomposting', traer algo de humor sin dejar de lado a los que publican y comparten temas más serios.

El fedi es un lugar bonito, aunque hoy no lo ha sido para mi.

Si leíste todo este chorote, gracias.
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william.maggos

Limit accounts on your fedi server to whoever for whatever reasons, but do not fediblock other servers unless their admins allow illegality or fail to police their users from harassing users on other servers (unwanted tagging) or polluting hashtags (using irrelevant tags just to get their posts widely seen).

That's the norm I want on #SocialWeb to maximize dialog. It's only possible here cause our lack of algos means junk can be posted (like on many websites) but never seen. #fediblockmeta

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Ángela Stella Matutina

Es encantador ver en los bloqueos de instancias ("desfederación" en jerga fediversal) el estado de guerra "fría" en que se ha sumido nuestro mundo. ¡Un telón de acero divide al panóptico digital!

(Resulta ser de papel higiénico, con más agujeros que un colador, etc: contrabandear datos es más sencillo que robarle los caramelos a un niño, está al alcance incluso de otro niño.)

Amplío: me refiero al mundo de ahí afuera, no sólo a esta red de nerds, hippies y desviades. Sí, las redes reflejan el mundo "real" y todas las cualidades de la gente que lo habitamos, ¿¡quién lo hubiera dicho!?

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