@peppe To be clear about that, I don't question the fact that #X11 is full of old cruft that's mostly useless nowadays. It became more than clear to me while implementing my #xmoji tool, which uses almost exclusively #XRender requests for rendering (an *extension* to X11, not part of the core protocol), because X core drawing requests are really designed for 1990es hardware, supporting color palettes with limited entries, but no alpha channel whatsoever. Similar goes for font support in the X11 core protocol, it's useless supporting only bitmap fonts with no antialiasing etc, so I use client-side rasterizing (with freetype) and XRender only for compositing the result. There are more silly examples, like the "Compound Text" encoding monstrosity, because the core design predates Unicode, and so on....

In a nutshell, a major rework of what the X core protocol supports would be necessary.

But then, you can *still* dislike a suggested solution. I think #wayland is taking the "simplicity" much too far, so now both compositors and clients (rendering windows) have to do the same stuff over and over again. It's a pointless exercise trying to create a wayland client without huge libraries (such as e.g. cairo for client-side rendering, better yet use a full-blown toolkit like Qt or GTK that already makes use of cairo), while this is perfectly possible for X.

@peppe Well, #dwm is a window manager. Then there's #dwl, which is a #wayland #compositor, trying to do "functionally the same" as dwm. My point is, it has to implement a lot more stuff to do so.

My favorite window manager is #fvwm (or now #fvwm3), and as far as I know, its main developer was looking into wayland and currently doesn't have any concrete plans to work on that ... and I can perfectly understand.

@mp362 Try #voidlinux it's surprisingly stable despite being a rolling release :)

Also if you want to keep xfce but at the same time have some fresh experience one option is to combine it with #labwc and go full #wayland (not for stability ofc :D )
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing

@nebucatnetzer slightly off-topic, but I switched away from #GNOME to KDE #Plasma, since GNOME #Wayland doesn't (?) support server-side decorations. I'd have switched to the GNOME #X11 session, but I'd have lost workspace swiping and smooth scrolling.

The first time #Ubuntu really rubbed me the wrong way wasn't #snap, but #mir.

Back back in the days, when Jesus rode dinosaurs into Jerusalem, there was still a dispute about which new standard was going to be adopted.

#Wayland was in planning stage then and Canonical was fighting against it for no other reason than "not invented here".

There I was, with an union tired around my belt, seeing that the license was #GPL - with an agreement that #Canonical could "relicense" your code... wat?!