Strypey<p>"The purpose of a system is what it does."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a>, 1926-2002</p><p>We live in an economic system that routinely gives more resources to people who make weapons than to doctors and nurses. What does that tell you about the purpose of that system?</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/SystemsThinking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SystemsThinking</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/DeathDrive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeathDrive</span></a></p>
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teledyn 𓂀<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@georgetakei" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>georgetakei</span></a></span> </p><p>The purpose of a system is what it does. It is pointless to insist the purpose is to do what it consistently fails to do.</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/staffordbeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>staffordbeer</span></a></p>
David Cantrell 🏏<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mindly.social/@hardingar" class="u-url mention">@<span>hardingar</span></a></span> I wanna do cyber with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a>! We could exchange tips on beard grooming.</p>
teledyn 𓂀<p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ConstitutiveRules" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ConstitutiveRules</span></a> for guiding the use of the <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ViableSystemModel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ViableSystemModel</span></a>: Reflections on practice - <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ScienceDirect" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ScienceDirect</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ProblemStructuring" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProblemStructuring</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Epistemology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Epistemology</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/HierarchicalProcessModel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HierarchicalProcessModel</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <br><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377221720304768" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">sciencedirect.com/science/arti</span><span class="invisible">cle/pii/S0377221720304768</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@thetyee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>thetyee</span></a></span> were I a press pundit, I'd tell <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/NDP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NDP</span></a> to live up to the name and pillage¹ the platform of <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/PPoC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PPoC</span></a> — <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.partipirate.org/@PartiPirate" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>PartiPirate</span></a></span> in 2016, especially the digital rights, privacy, and a participatory democracy that, again not-a-pundit me, hints of <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> Designing Freedom Massey Lectures on Viable System Models. Not that we want one. A viable system. But whatever…</p><p>¹ we wouldn't mind. PPoC did good that year, proud to have been party to it, even if I didn't play WoW after meetings. <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/oldestintheroom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>oldestintheroom</span></a> 🤣</p>
teledyn 𓂀<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@evacide" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>evacide</span></a></span> I haven't found the reference to support his claim, but in the Massey Lectures <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> claimed to have successfully employed Kindergarten students.</p>
teledyn 𓂀<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://m.ai6yr.org/@ai6yr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ai6yr</span></a></span> </p><p>For those late to the cybernetics party, here's a link to a series of Massey Lectures by <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> archived by, I know hard to believe today, our very own <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/CBC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CBC</span></a> from back <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/whenwewasfab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>whenwewasfab</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cbc-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cb</span><span class="invisible">c-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"There is no one better qualified to model a plant, than the man whose life is spent working in it. He knows. We have constructed a little tool, in the quantified flow chart, and in handing this tool to the workers, we have no technocratic problems."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-santiago-boys/ep-6-the-geopolitics-of-S84KqFR_X6E/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">listennotes.com/podcasts/the-s</span><span class="invisible">antiago-boys/ep-6-the-geopolitics-of-S84KqFR_X6E/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ChoraMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChoraMedia</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TheSantiagoBoys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheSantiagoBoys</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"There are now competing visions of what exactly cybernetic software is supposed to do. Stafford Beer thinks it's a tool for the people. Others on the team take a more limited view. Seeing it as nothing but an experimental tool for managing the economy. And a prototype really. And a technocratic one at that."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/EvgenyMorozov" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EvgenyMorozov</span></a>, 2023</p><p><a href="https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-santiago-boys/ep-6-the-geopolitics-of-S84KqFR_X6E/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">listennotes.com/podcasts/the-s</span><span class="invisible">antiago-boys/ep-6-the-geopolitics-of-S84KqFR_X6E/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ChoraMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChoraMedia</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TheSantiagoBoys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheSantiagoBoys</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Chile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Chile</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ProjectCybersyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProjectCybersyn</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>Hey <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@mike_hales" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>mike_hales</span></a></span>, I didn't know you interviewed Stafford Beer during Project Cybersyn!</p><p><a href="https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-santiago-boys/ep-5-the-super-technocrat-of-P-pdmZza2UN/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">listennotes.com/podcasts/the-s</span><span class="invisible">antiago-boys/ep-5-the-super-technocrat-of-P-pdmZza2UN/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TheSantiagoBoys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheSantiagoBoys</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ProjectCybersyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProjectCybersyn</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p>“For the first time in the history of man science can do whatever can be exactly specified. Then, also for the first time, we do not have to be scientists to understand what can be done. It follows that we are no longer at the mercy of a technocracy which alone can tell us what to do. Our job is to start specifying.”</p><p>— <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> Designing Freedom (1977)</p>
teledyn 𓂀<p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> states the case for a new science of <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/systemstheory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>systemstheory</span></a> and <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cybernetics</span></a>. Designing Freedom ponders the possibilities of liberty in a cybernetic world.</p><p>The 1973 CBC Massey Lectures, "Designing Freedom"<br><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/CBCRadio" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CBCRadio</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/radioteledyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>radioteledyn</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/nowplaying" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>nowplaying</span></a> <br><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cbc-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cb</span><span class="invisible">c-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p>"If we are going to be talking about INTELLIGENT organization…"</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/7COX-b3HK50" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">youtu.be/7COX-b3HK50</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>try not to notice how old this lecture is </p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/viablesystemmodel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>viablesystemmodel</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p>"A viable system is any system organised in such a way as to meet the demands of surviving in the changing environment."</p><p>The <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/ViableSystemModel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ViableSystemModel</span></a> in 1000 words<br><a href="https://metaphorum.org/staffords-work/viable-system-model" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">metaphorum.org/staffords-work/</span><span class="invisible">viable-system-model</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Metaphorum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Metaphorum</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"Notice what's going on here. [Stafford] Beer and CyberSyn are abandoning the traditional toolkit of Soviet planning. Instead, they're charging towards a new type of socialism, one where realtime data triumphs over archaic planning methods, and that's how it should be.</p><p>'Reality is stronger than theory', as [Chilean President Salvador] Allende once said."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/EvgenyMorozov" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EvgenyMorozov</span></a>, 2023</p><p><a href="https://the-santiago-boys.com/episodes/podcast-002" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">the-santiago-boys.com/episodes</span><span class="invisible">/podcast-002</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TheSantiagoBoys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheSantiagoBoys</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Chile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Chile</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/socialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>socialism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/EconomicPlanning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EconomicPlanning</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/CyberSyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CyberSyn</span></a></p>
Doug Webb<p>"Designing Freedom", by <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/staffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>staffordBeer</span></a> </p><p>Cute pdf I found of the text from the talks WITH nice hand-drawn pictures!</p><p><a href="https://monoskop.org/images/e/e3/Beer_Stafford_Designing_Freedom.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">monoskop.org/images/e/e3/Beer_</span><span class="invisible">Stafford_Designing_Freedom.pdf</span></a></p><p>But I do recommend listening to Beer speak instead of reading :)</p><p><a href="https://archive.org/details/DesigningFreedom_CBC_Lectures" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">archive.org/details/DesigningF</span><span class="invisible">reedom_CBC_Lectures</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/tags/drawing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>drawing</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p>Stafford Beer, Massey Lecture #6, 1973</p><p><a href="https://www.tumblr.com/teledyn/710892007092076544/designing-freedom-the-free-man-in-a-cybernetic?source=share" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">tumblr.com/teledyn/71089200709</span><span class="invisible">2076544/designing-freedom-the-free-man-in-a-cybernetic?source=share</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/whenwewasfab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>whenwewasfab</span></a></p>
teledyn 𓂀<p>Stafford Beer states the case for a new science of systems theory and cybernetics as applied to society</p><p>The 1973 CBC Massey Lectures, "Designing Freedom" | <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://press.coop/@CBC" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>CBC</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cbc-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1973-cb</span><span class="invisible">c-massey-lectures-designing-freedom-1.2946819</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/staffordbeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>staffordbeer</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/viablesystemmodel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>viablesystemmodel</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cybernetics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/government" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>government</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/cbc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cbc</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/whenwewasfab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>whenwewasfab</span></a></p>
8Petros [$ rm -rv /capitalism/*]<a href="https://petroskowo.pl/search?tag=StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> anyone?
Duncan Hart 🇮🇲 🇦🇺 🌏<p>“Here we all are in a world that all of us think is dying, with governments that all of us think are shits, and we still can’t do anything about it.” Stafford Beer Interviews. Angela Espinosa Interviews Vanilla Beer - September 2023. <a href="https://mastodon.duncanhart.com/tags/StaffordBeer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StaffordBeer</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.duncanhart.com/tags/VSM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VSM</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.duncanhart.com/tags/CyberSyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CyberSyn</span></a></p>
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