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HowToPhil<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@freedosproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@freedosproject</a> Theoretically, <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netsurf</a> browser can run framebuffer-wise. And it has some javascript support, CSS, HTML5, etc...<a href="https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/docs-netsurf/doxygen/md_docs_using-framebuffer.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/docs-netsurf/doxygen/md_docs_using-framebuffer.html</a>

Klaus Zimmermann (NEW ACCOUNT)Impressive. A machine from 1999 running modern-day Linux with <a href="https://c.im/tags/Antix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Antix</a>......FROM A LIVE CD!<a href="https://reddit.com/comments/1kgoqki" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://reddit.com/comments/1kgoqki</a>No idea how usable it is, but it even loaded up a browsing session thanks to the amazing <a href="https://c.im/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a>.<a href="https://c.im/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/oldcomputers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#oldcomputers</a>

nickbeardedBig news in the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BashCore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BashCore</a> project: introducing <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BashCoreLX" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BashCoreLX</a> — the same minimal, powerful BashCore, now with a lightweight <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LXDE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LXDE</a> graphical interface! Tested on my old machine: just 300MB RAM on boot. Hoping to release a public ISO soon using live-build!It’ll include all BashCore tools + <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Wireshark" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wireshark</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OWASPZAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OWASPZAP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BurpSuite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BurpSuite</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FernWiFiCracker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FernWiFiCracker</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FirefoxESR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FirefoxESR</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netsurf</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Pentesting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pentesting</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CyberSecurity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CyberSecurity</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LightweightLinux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LightweightLinux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InfoSec</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LiveISO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LiveISO</a>

Fossery Tech :debian: :gnome:However, I have another plan, which isn't this hard to implement, and I already planned it independently from the one mentioned above: I'll make an HTML-CSS-only site, with a more minimalistic UI, which can be displayed correctly even in browsers with limited HTML/CSS support, especially targeted to Dillo and NetSurf users (the original site is broken in these browsers), but of course they will work in all other browsers (including Ladybird, Servo, Pale Moon and Otter in which the original site also has some minor issues). The new site will also be hosted on Codeberg, like the original one, so it wouldn't be any worse from a privacy perspective. The only downside will be, that it won't include all features, because some content like the utilities can't be implemented with HTML and CSS only. Quizzes could be done with HTML and CSS, but they would require advanced CSS features which aren't supported by Dillo and NetSurf, so I'll leave those out too. What I'll include are the articles, programming cheatsheets and an about page for now. More details, sample design coming in a few days.As for the original site, I originally wanted to discontinue it, but since I don't do the Java stuff anymore, and the new minimal version won't include every content, I'll continue to maintain the original one too. It won't receive many updates until I "finish" the new minimal one, but after that, I have quite a few plans for that too (see Issues tab of repo: <a href="https://codeberg.org/fosseryweb/pages/issues" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://codeberg.org/fosseryweb/pages/issues</a> ).<a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/JavaScriptFree" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#JavaScriptFree</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/MinimalWebsite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MinimalWebsite</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/Lightweight" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lightweight</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/LightweightWebsite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LightweightWebsite</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/Minimal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Minimal</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/WebDev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebDev</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/WebDevelopment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebDevelopment</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/Website" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Website</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/Dillo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dillo</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/FosseryWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FosseryWeb</a> <a href="https://social.linux.pizza/tags/FosseryTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FosseryTech</a>

Klaus Zimmermann (MOVED)The Amazing <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#NetSurf</a> Browser, and how to install its latest version on Debian:<a href="https://diode.zone/w/pR3fcRjYaBYZmziR2iFzcU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://diode.zone/w/pR3fcRjYaBYZmziR2iFzcU</a>"Give me a slimmed-down Firefox that can do a little JS, runs under 500MB RAM and has none of that Mozilla BS on it." "You got it, fam."Video number 2 in the <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/minimalistbrowsers" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#minimalistbrowsers</a> series.<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#freesoftware</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/peertube" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#peertube</a>

pelle ✅<a href="https://freeradical.zone/@4bz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@4bz</a> i liked <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/ploum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ploum</a>'s essay about the two webs: <a href="https://ploum.net/2023-08-01-splitting-the-web.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ploum.net/2023-08-01-splitting-the-web.html</a>i think it makes sense to resort tl a shitty web browser for the shitty JS-powered capitalist web; and whenever possible use <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/ytdlp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ytdlp</a> or <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/tubular" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tubular</a> for hostile sites like <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/youtube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#youtube</a>;and then use other web browsers (or rss readers, or ...) for the enjoyable web. those web browsers might not even need JS. these include <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/offpunk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#offpunk</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/lynx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#lynx</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netsurf</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/dillo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dillo</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/links" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#links</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/edbrowse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#edbrowse</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/librera" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#librera</a>, <a href="https://radikal.social/tags/eww" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eww</a>.

Adële<a href="https://peoplemaking.games/@ailepet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ailepet</a> there are <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@dillo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@dillo</a> and <a href="https://social.pollux.casa/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netsurf</a><a href="https://dillo-browser.github.io/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dillo-browser.github.io/</a><a href="https://www.netsurf-browser.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.netsurf-browser.org/</a>

AbbeyFunny thing this morning - because I AM curious...So apparently, <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#python</a> pypi.org doesn't work in <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netsurf</a> nor <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/lynx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#lynx</a> - it just sends "enable <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#javascript</a> "message. Which BTW lynx displays, but netsurf does not. But get this, <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/mothra" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mothra</a> and <a href="https://null.qocc.space/tags/abaco" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#abaco</a> actually do render js-less pypi. What? Rt?Haven't yet tried messing with user agents. Will explore further later, as it's round 0630 CET & I gotta get to work to build an Aida set at the theatre that pays for my hobbies. And haven't had coffee yet.

niu tech<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@dillo" class="u-url mention">@dillo</a> What do you think of adding an optional <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/QuickJS" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#QuickJS</a> engine like <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Netsurf</a>?

Willard GooseyOk I have to correct myself.<a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netsurf</a> 3.11 on RISC OS 5.30 can indeed run the brutaldon.org client, if you have JavaScript turned on 🙄Text posts worked, i haven't tried posting an image yet.<a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/RiscOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RiscOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Brutaldon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Brutaldon</a>

a66ey 🇪🇺🏳️‍🌈 she/herGosh I needed such a random unimportant wild bug chase today! Finding a painless workaround to the preferences bug made my day. Some people play games, some dig memes. I get my fix via not understanding the basics; being hopeless endless noob. For a second decade now too 🙃😁😂 Cheers <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freebsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freebsd</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netsurf</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/twm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#twm</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/xorg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xorg</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gtk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gtk</a>

Nicolas DandrimontÇa parle de <a href="https://mastodon.opportunis.me/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a> sur <a href="https://mastodon.opportunis.me/tags/Haiku" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Haiku</a> à la MiniDebConf Cambridge. Encore un coup de <a href="https://m.g3l.org/@mmu_man" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mmu_man</a> ça !

Allanon 🇮🇹 :amiga:Is this normal?... I'm going to try <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/Falkon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Falkon</a> I'm pretty tired of these behemoth browsers...<a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/browser" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#browser</a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/manjaro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#manjaro</a> ---

David Llewellyn-JonesWorking on a presentation for work has given me an opportunity to read up about the history of the Web Browser.Turns out to be not such a simple thing to unravel. Here's my attempt!<a href="https://www.flypig.co.uk/gecko?&list_id=1202&list=gecko" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.flypig.co.uk/gecko?&list_id=1202&list=gecko</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Web" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Web</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mosaic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mosaic</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/InternetExplorer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InternetExplorer</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Edge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Edge</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mozilla</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Netscape" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netscape</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Gecko" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gecko</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Firefox</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Safari" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Safari</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Chrome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Chrome</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Chromium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Chromium</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Opera" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Opera</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Ladybird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Ladybird</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netsurf</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SailfishOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SailfishOS</a>

Job Bautista<a class="u-url mention" href="https://ioc.exchange/@lpwaterhouse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lpwaterhouse</a> The implementation-first philosophy of the "Living Standard" is definitely the bane of every web browser that is not Chromium, I agree. I sometimes wonder if we all should've just stayed HTML 4.xx with W3C truly in charge instead of the WHATWG (which acts more like a browser cartel led by Google)... I'm pretty disappointed with the dismissive attitude towards <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/palemoon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PaleMoon</a> though. I guess it comes from the fact that I have contributed plenty to its development (people might know me best for bringing in the JPEG XL support to it but personally I'm most proud of my successful effort to unbundle Spidermonkey from the bloated xul.dll in Windows which I think was a mistake by Mozilla). I do want <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/servo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#servo</a> to succeed too (as well as <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/ladybird" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Ladybird</a> which is another fresh engine, and old-timers like <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/seamonkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SeaMonkey</a>, <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/dillo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dillo</a>, and <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/netsurf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a> to name a few), but we have to admit that it will take a long, consistent protracted effort for these newcomers before they come close to being "viable". Granted, Pale Moon does suffer from lots of web compatibility issues too (so I don't want to sound like I'm overhyping it like I don't want people to overhype the from-scratch engines), but the fact that Mastodon and YouTube to name a few "Web 2.0" sites can function in PM (even if the latter can be unbearably slow no thanks to the ungodly amounts of JavaScript being loaded) and not in Servo (last I tested like a month ago) just shows how far apart they both are right now when it comes to webcompat.

Job Bautista<a class="u-url mention" href="https://recurse.social/@redmp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@redmp</a> Such browsers already exist. <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/netsurf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetSurf</a> for example does exactly that. They never disappeared; it's just that webdevs of the mainstream these days don't care about backwards compatibility at all (and always complain when <a class="hashtag" href="https://pleroma.envs.net/tag/safari" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Safari</a> for example doesn't support whatever shiny feature they want to require) <a class="u-url mention" href="https://floss.social/@igalia" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@igalia</a>

fzap<a href="https://phpc.social/@adele" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@adele</a> ...and full functional with <a href="https://social.anoxinon.de/tags/w3m" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#w3m</a> This is even more lowtech than <a href="https://social.anoxinon.de/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netsurf</a> 😜 . You can purify pages with <a href="https://txt.bloat.cat/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://txt.bloat.cat/</a>

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:<a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/@pkw" class="u-url mention">@pkw</a> <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/@sotolf" class="u-url mention">@sotolf</a>> - <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/links2" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#links2</a> > - <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/dillo" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#dillo</a> > - <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#netsurf</a> > - <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/w3m" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#w3m</a> > - <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/lynx" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#lynx</a>I cannot overstate my approval. This list is FIRE. I actually have images disabled in w3m becuase the performance is kinda poor, but use xlinks a lot when I actually want images.Honorable mention: Surf, when you really, really want a modern browser with a minimum of fluff. Also, elinks seems to be in active development again, so it definitely deserves a place on the list. :)cc: <a href="https://toot.mirbsd.org/@mirabilos" class="u-url mention">@mirabilos</a>, the lynx virtuoso

niu tech<a href="https://layer8.space/@tux0r" class="u-url mention">@tux0r</a> Do you have JS enabled in <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/NetSurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#NetSurf</a>? It uses <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Duktape" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Duktape</a> engine, so it's experimental. Almost all web apps need JS to run, in contrast to web pages.

tux0r :openbsd:Unpopular opinion:If your "web application" does not work in <a href="https://layer8.space/tags/Netsurf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Netsurf</a> on a <a href="https://layer8.space/tags/Plan9" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Plan9</a> machine, your "web application" is not worth my time.

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