Bob Jonkman<p>The Region of Waterloo is asking for feedback for designing their new website, to be launched in 2026. But when I click their link, all I get is an error message about requiring <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascript</span></a>. So, that's my only feedback: Hire a competent front-end developer who knows how to make a website that's not <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://aroundtheregion.ca/you-can-help-us-build-the-region-of-waterloos-new-website/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">aroundtheregion.ca/you-can-hel</span><span class="invisible">p-us-build-the-region-of-waterloos-new-website/</span></a></p>
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Bob Jonkman<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.sdf.org/@hobbsc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>hobbsc</span></a></span></p><p>I dealt with a site that used Javascript to create the login fields, and also to stop copy'n'paste the password. Turn off Javascript to copy'n'paste, then the fields don't work.</p><p>I got around it by making my password manager <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/KeepassXC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KeepassXC</span></a> autofill the login fields. I'm guessing it stuffs password into the keyboard buffer rather than using the paste buffer.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a></p><p>Edit: add <span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@keepassxc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>keepassxc</span></a></span></p>
Bob Jonkman<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://rollenspiel.social/@holothuroid" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>holothuroid</span></a></span></p><p>If we're adding to the lexicon, then I propose:</p><p>js;dr</p><p>Javascrippled; Didn't Read</p><p>Too many websites are Javascript dependent when Plain Ol' Semantic HTML would have worked, and it seems web developers have forgotten about graceful degradation, or even progessive enhancement. </p><p>Javascript is something up with which I will not put.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascript</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/POSH" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>POSH</span></a></p>
Bob Jonkman<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://convenient.email/profile/silverwizard" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>silverwizard</span></a></span></p><p>TIaL about the Potato computer. Almost, the <a href="https://libre.computer/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">libre.computer/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> is <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a> to the point of not showing anything.</p>
Bob Jonkman<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@privacybrowser" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>privacybrowser</span></a></span></p><p>And the sadness is, Google Maps used to work fine without <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascript" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascript</span></a>. </p><p>I think most web developers (especially Google) have the smarts to build pages that build gracefully depending on browser capability: Showing content first, then style, and finally adding behaviour with Javascript. Content and style is the easy part, make sure it's there first.</p><p>So why don't they? Do the client specs require <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a> content so they'll get surveillance? </p><p>(Added some <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/AltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AltText</span></a>, BTW)</p>
Bob Jonkman<p>Cognitive dissonance (maybe irony?) from The Globe and Mail: The CN Tower obscured by smog, while workers assemble seating for a car race.</p><p>Bad enough that they're still holding car races in a <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/ClimateCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClimateCrisis</span></a>, but to add that car exhaust to the air when Torontonians are already suffering from this level of air pollution?</p><p>(maybe exhaust from the racing cars is less than exhaust from cars that would usually be on those streets? Hey, <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/LazyWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LazyWeb</span></a>!)</p><p>Horrible <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a> site:<br><a href="https://globe2go.pressreader.com/the-globe-and-mail-ontario-edition/20230629/page/1" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">globe2go.pressreader.com/the-g</span><span class="invisible">lobe-and-mail-ontario-edition/20230629/page/1</span></a></p>
Bob Jonkman<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@FreakyFwoof" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>FreakyFwoof</span></a></span></p><p>So I thought I'd provide a link to the Darkrnet Diaries website and the podcast feed URL, but the website doesn't display in <span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@privacybrowser" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>privacybrowser</span></a></span> probably because the website is Javascript-dependent, or <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/Javascrippled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Javascrippled</span></a>. So there's an inaccessible dark pattrern that makes me never want to visit again.</p><p>How do people with screen readers deal with that?</p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.au/@TheVoiceGuy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>TheVoiceGuy</span></a></span></p>
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]#<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/indiegogo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">IndieGoGo</a></span>: We’ve updated our Terms of Use, which are effective today. Please take some time to review them. The continued use of our site and services will indicate your agreement to be bound by the new Terms of Use. <br><br> The second "Terms of Use" is also a tracking link. I'm not planning to back any future crowdfunding on your site anyway, but it would be nice to see the ToU / ToS that you're applying. <br><br> By the way, your site is #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled.</a></span> You're definitely not planning something underhanded and malevolent. It just seems that way when comparing your actions and their timing with the actions one would expect from someone that is planning something underhanded and malevolent.
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]Maybe if "Big Yoshi" spent less time dining out, some of the bigness would go away. <a href="https://www.yoshinoyaamerica.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.yoshinoyaamerica.com/</a><br><br> Incidentally, "browse no support js" is not a valid reason not to show where their locations are. If they're wanting people to come to their locations and spend money, letting #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascript" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScript</a></span> become an obstacle is stupid. #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled.</a></span>
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]@year2038@infosec.exchange The site needs a JS-free fallback for displaying content. If someone visits and can't see any #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/facebook" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Facebook</a></span> alternatives (or they see "upgrade your browser, then visit us afterward"), they may be #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/lost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">lost</a></span> for good. #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled</a></span>
Bob JonkmanToo bad the #<span class=""><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Javascrippled</a></span> Mastodon interface doesn't actually attach images to Toots, making them invisible to the rest of the !<a href="https://gnusocial.no/group/1189/id" class="h-card u-url p-nickname" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>. But this time it's worth browsing to the original message, downloading the image, and re-posting it. <br> ♻ @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/moritzheiber" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MoritzHeiber</a>: me: This user interface is easy to use, intuitive and will survive the test of time.<br><br> my users: <a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/file/49944c4a320fbba8047415d86f000d6d0257c67ac31e0a5c9fbe31b078b12ffe.jpg" rel="nofollow noopener" class="" target="_blank">https://gs.jonkman.ca/attachment/119862</a>
Bob JonkmanThis implies that it is possible to code the original #<span class=""><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/doom" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Doom</a></span> in a single webpage (probably as a #<span class=""><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Javascrippled</a></span> page of the usual inefficient and unaccessible kind)
Bob Jonkman...because Mastodon images are #<span class=""><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Javascrippled</a></span>, they don't show up in my timeline. This one is worth downloading, re-uploading and linking: <a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/file/c32aa3f4c486489c664ddc4fe73484801aa5273176961ce1fc22c91a11216b53.png" rel="nofollow noopener" class="" target="_blank">https://gs.jonkman.ca/attachment/116112</a>
Bob JonkmanBecause images don't federate from #<span class=""><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Javascrippled</a></span> social media servers: ♻ @<a href="https://toot.cat/users/garbados" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">garbados</a> The Internet depends on people like this <a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/file/11e3fdd16030b1a9888259ff6581e60945190be4898cd839829b2f11919c99a8.jpg" rel="nofollow noopener" class="" target="_blank">https://gs.jonkman.ca/attachment/111408</a>
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]@<a href="https://shitposter.club/user/1" class="h-card mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">moonman</a> That's true, but making sites that are still usable without #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascript" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScript</a></span> means sites that are not going through a rush re-architecting after the not yet known event finally pierces JS's aorta. That was what I think @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/cypnk" class="h-card mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">cypnk</a> was grumbling about: #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled</a></span> sites.
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]I don't like that #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Pleroma</a></span> is completely #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled.</a></span> But the leader in going the wrong way was #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/qvitter" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Qvitter.</a></span>
Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]^ #<span class=""><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/javascrippled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JavaScrippled</a></span>
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