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Fedizen ⁂ Fediverse News»New Paradigms in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Trust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trust</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Safety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Safety</a>: Navigating <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Defederation</a> on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Decentralized</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SocialMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialMedia</a> Platforms: Experts consider how it can be used responsibly, in a way that balances <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/speech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#speech</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/safety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#safety</a>.« <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2025/03/fediverse-social-media-internet-defederation?Fedizen.EU" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2025/03/fediverse-social-media-internet-defederation?Fedizen.EU</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fedizen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fedizen</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/News" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#News</a>

Eddie 🏳️‍🌈 (RESIST)<a href="https://social.growyourown.services/@homegrown" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@homegrown</a> I wish more instance admins would utilize the limit/silence feature instead of the sledgehammer of <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/suspend" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#suspend</a> / <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a>

NovaI believe Dan plans to never <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/federate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#federate</a> , revoke federation, or at least retain the ability to do so. See term 2 on Loop's website: <a href="https://loops.video/legal/terms-of-service" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://loops.video/legal/terms-of-service</a> which says such things as "under this license you may not:...use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);.....transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" and the materials on any other server...This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Loops at any time." and "Loops may revise these terms of service for its website at any time without notice" Loops' terms are not open source and could be used to justify <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> or changing policy on federation. And considering how dan behaves with peers who disagree with him, I could see him deciding federation isn't what he wants to do with Loops, which he treats not as an <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> thing but as <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#proprietary</a> NO <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/FOSSWASHING" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSSWASHING</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/loops" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#loops</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/pixelfed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pixelfed</a> <a href="https://techhub.social/tags/dansup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dansup</a>

John Brown Type Beatsjust seems kinda off that most people don't consider ideology to be a factor in defederation from kolektiva (or other instances)like how long would you suppose an anarchist, anti-colonial instance would get along with liberal instances? authoritarian left ones? "apolitical" instances?not discounting that folks have negative interactions with specific accounts, etc.look at how many liberals react to calm, polite replies that accurately point to liberal policies and politicians helping to bring us to the current moment.. rage, insta-blocks, tirades against whole instances and ideologies based off a single encounter..<a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Defederation</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Blocking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Blocking</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Federation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Federation</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Kolektiva" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kolektiva</a>

argv minus one<a href="https://dialup.cafe/@vga256" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@vga256</a> The first <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a>.Fortunately, modern federated protocols don't grant servers so much power over other servers, so we don't have the eris problem any more.

S★m V★rm★Thanks to <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@mike" class="u-url mention">@mike</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@kev" class="u-url mention">@kev</a> and co for very thoughtfully engaging with the question of <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#defederation</a> from <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#Threads</a>. Fosstodon will let individuals decide. Bravo! <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@fosstodon/113826371651831656" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://fosstodon.org/@fosstodon/113826371651831656</a>

Bruce HeerssenThreads.net has been suspended on this server (darkmoon.social) due to Meta's policy decisions that enable systemic abuse and disinformation across its platforms.This is a decision I've been mulling over for a while now, and recent events have pushed me to finally pull the trigger. I will not associate with fascists, even by proxy. I'm sorry to lose access to good content by people who have accounts there, but enough is enough. <a href="https://darkmoon.social/tags/fightFascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fightFascism</a> <a href="https://darkmoon.social/tags/Meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Meta</a> <a href="https://darkmoon.social/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threads</a> <a href="https://darkmoon.social/tags/Defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Defederation</a>

DanielToday, I celebrate the <a href="https://social.data.coop/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> of <a href="https://social.data.coop/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threads</a> by my Masto host, <a href="https://social.data.coop/@datacoop" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@datacoop</a>! Bye bye ZUCKERS!

HenryPeople keep saying that everyone should defederate threads, but the issue with that plan is that then I can’t view the Onion’s posts, which is my main way of keeping up to date about the world<a href="https://social.desyncd.xyz/tags/threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threads</a> <a href="https://social.desyncd.xyz/tags/defederate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederate</a> <a href="https://social.desyncd.xyz/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://social.desyncd.xyz/tags/theonion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#theonion</a> <a href="https://social.desyncd.xyz/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#activitypub</a>

immibisIs <a href="http://mastodon.world" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon.world</a> worth <a class="hashtag" href="https://social.immibis.com/tag/defederation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> ? Need some opinions

ZanaIf you think the fediverse's only goal is to win. To do numbers. You have a problem. It cannot "win". It is not designed for such things. The fediverse needs better moderation tools. Much, much better moderation tools. And seamless export and import tools across the board.Everyone keeps whining and moaning about how its all about defederation, about how important it is to be decentralized. All while 90% of the admins start to wage war with one another. Cutting off large chunks of their users from the outside world.Some tech evangelists keep thinking about the lack of adoption and how it is all because the system is not absurd and complicated enough, and that playong some sick psychological trials on the users of other platforms will be surely the way people will come here and "the fediverse will win", and how "the paralysis of what server to choose will be gone".I do not know about you, but this is not how it works.When you look to set home on the fediverse, you are looking at an absurd myriad of variables. What is the domain name, what are the rules, what servers are actively blocked, which ones are not federated with, which ones does it actively federate to. Is it an active instance? Is it running the latest version of the server software? What server software? Does it allow reactions? Does it allow comments? Threads? Rich text formarting? Nesting? What about media types and attatchments?. Is it geographically nearby? Is it not? How is the latency? What is the vibe here? What is the policy on CWs? Alt text? Do they accept posting NSFW art? What about furry stuff? If they do, are they also fine with random musings? Technical overviews? Documentation? Photographs? Of what subjects? Music? Animation? Is that all fair game? Will people take me seriously if i come off from this server? Will i get nuked just for merely existing? Will i get nuked FROM the server for the same reason?The list goes on. But. If this message travels far. Do you even take seriously this name coming from this domain? Have you even read this far?Setting base in this place is a hard and arduous task. This is is a problem only unique to the herd mentality of the platforn.Anywhere else you only have the one account, in the one place, and you can post whatever your heart desires so long as it complies with the current jurisdiction. People are complex, people have many sides to them (sometimes even literally). People do not want to have 10 accounts so they post their music in one instance, their photographs on an instance that is just like the previous one but with a different ruleset, another one for their pets, another one for their art. So on. So forth.Mastodon, the fediverse, Activitypub. The platforms heralded by people with nothing better to do as the ultimate in freedom, of choice, of being, and expression. Keep demanding for people to censor themselves and pigeonhole thenselves up into a specific niche and never steer off from it. And all they can think of is of ways to make it all worse for people, to communicate, to outreach, to plain and simply be. They all think it is all about technological and infrastructural issues that need to be adressed, when ultimately. It is a people problem, a culture problem. A societal problem. The typical response of these people is to just build "better networks". To duplicate work. To "just host it yourself, bro". Because of course the everyman wants the burden of finding some VPS provider willing to host NSFW media, and much less media that gets wrongly accused of being evil, such as the media on this server. Spoiler alert. There is none. After years of research only two candidates showed up. One that was inmensely expensive to operate to keep a small mastodon instance running (and just absurdly expensive for an one-user instance of GoToSocial) and the other one offered a poultry 10G of space.The layman is not going to conduct years of research to "just host it themselves bro". And even if they were, the maintenance upkeep and the arduous task of moderating even a single user instwnce is insane. It simply cannot be done.I am here, for as long as ive still got time on the clock, because i believe in the freedom to be someplace where i can take my data on and off, and it is not beheld to the interests of a company. I can just nuke it and nobody will be the wiser. I am here because i dont chase numbers, i want things to remain small, and i want things to remain private. It however does not mean i want to remain unheard and silenced. And much less due to some petty war between admins.The fediverse can never "win". It should never ever be on its goals to. It needs to be open, diverse, and accepting. It needs to stop pretending human issues can be solved with technology. And it needs to empower users to be able to freely post about their interests and reach their friends, and collegues, and their friends and collegues, without nonsense from the powers that be.And even then, even when it will literally will cease to matter where you set shop, as it no longer affects who can see you and what you can post. People will still not choose this platform and be paralyzed by the other myriad of variables at hand. The paralysis of what instance to choose will forever remain. It aint happening. No matter how much you boil the frogs.<a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#activitypub</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastodon</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/masto" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#masto</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#decentralization</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/bluesky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#bluesky</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/bsky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#bsky</a>

Eddie 🏳️‍🌈 (RESIST)<a href="https://bne.social/@phocks" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@phocks</a> this would be a good time for <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> instances and the rest of the <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> to reconsider their ill-advised <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> with <a href="https://poweredbygay.social/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threads</a> <a href="https://lemmy.ml/c/fediverse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fediverse@lemmy.ml</a> <a href="https://lemmy.world/c/fediverse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fediverse@lemmy.world</a> <a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/fediverse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fediverse@a.gup.pe</a>

biaeleo🚩🏴∅💖💜💙🐧🏴‍☠️🏳️‍⚧️🇵🇸For those still on mastodon.social, I suggest you leave and find somewhere else to be. The mods on there don't care about transphobia because they refuse to block meta.net. <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/mastodonsocial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastodonsocial</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/fediblock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediblock</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/blockmeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#blockmeta</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/defed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defed</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/defederatethreads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederatethreads</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/transphobia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#transphobia</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/queerphobia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#queerphobia</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/useless" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#useless</a> <a href="https://tech.lgbt/tags/liberals" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#liberals</a>

Rusty CorgiSo apparently Authorized Fetch does, in fact, work with user-level blocks. :blobfoxthinkgoogly: With that being the case, why doesn't Mastodon have a defederation option where users have an instance blocked by default, but can choose to opt back into federation? It'd be a really good way to protect user privacy with services like Threads (which doesn't support Authorized Fetch anyway, but still), without it being an outright defederation. With all the bemoaning of Fedi blocking Threads, it seems like that would've been the proper solution instead of telling server admins to suck it up and fork over all of their users' data. Also, for the record, CubHub has Threads blocked, and even if they didn't, they'd block us anyway since we allow porn (and not cub porn ya knobs).It'd also be a better mechanism for dealing with bridges between here and BlueSky or Nostr, instead of demanding that the creators of those bridges build in their own opt-in mechanism instead, which still feels incredibly unreasonable to me when that features should be built into Mastodon.<a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/MastoMeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MastoMeta</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/MastodonMeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MastodonMeta</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/Fedi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fedi</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/FediMeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediMeta</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/Threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threads</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/Defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Defederation</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/BlueSky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BlueSky</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/BlueSkyBridge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BlueSkyBridge</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/Bridgy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Bridgy</a> <a href="https://cubhub.social/tags/BridgyFed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BridgyFed</a>

godteeth • طكوداseeing a lot of anti-google discourse latelyreminder that searx/searxng exists and searches many engines at once while displaying the results in a sensible algorithm<a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/smallweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#smallweb</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/selfhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#selfhosting</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/indieweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#indieweb</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/degoogle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degoogle</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#google</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/search" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#search</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/searx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#searx</a> <a href="https://gnu.gl/tags/searxng" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#searxng</a>

skaphle<a href="https://social.bund.de/@bmdv" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@bmdv</a> An alle, so eine offensichtlich menschenfeindliche Fake News Schleuder braucht im <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> niemand. Wenn <a href="https://social.bund.de/@bfdi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@bfdi</a> sowas auf dem Server zulässt, dann gehört der deföderiert.<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/desinformation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#desinformation</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/propaganda" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#propaganda</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/klimakatastrophe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#klimakatastrophe</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/KlimaschutzIstMenschenrecht" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KlimaschutzIstMenschenrecht</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://atomicpoet.org/users/atomicpoet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chris Trottier</a> Not everyone on Mastodon welcomes the rest of the Fediverse with open arms when they learn about it. I mean, keep in mind that almost everyone who came over from Twitter to Mastodon in the last two years was not told that the Fediverse is more than just Mastodon. So they came here with the belief that Mastodon = the Fediverse and the Fediverse = Mastodon, and nothing can "ruin this paradise" for them. And a paradise it was to them, compared to even pre-Musk Twitter but more so to Musk's Twitter. They settled into Mastodon nicely. They got used to Mastodon. All while not even expecting there to be more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon. Some eventually learned the truth. It may have been because they've clearly used "Fediverse" and "Mastodon" synonymously or implied or out-right claimed that certain features that Mastodon lacks aren't available in the Fediverse at all or something like that. And some reply guy from Friendica came along and told them there's more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon. It may have been because they themselves found a post in their personal timeline that did stuff that's completely impossible on vanilla Mastodon. 500 characters. Or text formatting. Or a quote. Whatever. Maybe it simply got washed up in their timeline because one of their followers had boosted it. And they asked the poster, "Like, WTF is this witchcraft?! How do yo even DO this on Mastodon?" And the poster told them, "I'm not on Mastodon, I'm on Hubzilla, Hubzilla is not Mastodon, it isn't a Mastodon instance, it isn't even a Mastodon fork, it's independendent from Mastodon, but it's connected to Mastodon, yada yada yada." Their reaction might have been, "There's more to the Fediverse than just Mastodon? And whatever is out there can do all that cool stuff that I've been wanting to do so long? Intriging! Tell me more!" Plus an instant follow request. Their first non-Mastodon connection. But their reaction might just as well have been, "WTF?!? Nope! This is absolutely disturbing! I don't want ANY of this in the Fediverse! It was so nice and friendly and cosy with only Mastodon, and now there are these intruders! Make them go away!" I'm not even kidding: I know someone whom a Mastodon user has blocked because he's on Friendica and not on Mastodon. To her, the Fediverse equalled Mastodon, full stop. To her, he was an evil black-hat hacker who used this evil black-hat hacker tool named Friendica to hack himself into her Mastodon. I've recently learned that there are actually people who came over from Twitter to Mastodon around the time when Musk bought Twitter, and who definitely still believe the Fediverse is only Mastodon. And they've done so for almost a year and a half. They will shit bricks when they learn the truth. Also, there are people who want certain features purged from the whole of the Fediverse. First and foremost, posts with over 500 characters. It's often those who still use the official Mastodon app that can't fold long posts in whom long posts disturb, but not only them. I've once run a poll on whether or not to CW posts with over 500 characters, and if so, how. One option was a total, Fediverse-wide ban on posts over 500 characters. One user actually voted for that. That's proof enough that this attitude is cold, hard reality. Then there's text formatting. Or quote-posts; remember that quote-tweets are used on 𝕏 to harass members of minorities, and they've often escapted to Mastodon because it doesn't have quote-toots. Or quotes in general. All stuff that vanilla Mastodon can't do. At least not out of the box without some fancy, non-standard 3rd party mobile app work for quote-toots. So it's all stuff that some people want purged from the whole Fediverse. If someone from Mastodon came to you and told you to stop posting over 500 characters or writing in bold type or italics, would you as an Akkoma user do so? In everything you'll ever post? If I guessed not, would I be correct? See, Mastodon users can't convince users of Akkoma or Firefish or Sharkey or Friendica or Hubzilla to make use of features that Mastodon doesn't have. They can't force them either. There's no way for Mastodon users to have these features removed from those other projects either. So the only remaining way to get rid of these features at least on these Mastodon users' home instances is by blocking everything from which posts with these features come. But how should this blocking be done? Instance by instance? That's a game of whack-a-mole. For each instance you block, you discover two more instances. And new instances are being launched all the time. User by user? That's even more tedious and even more of a game of whack-a-mole. And this is the reason why this has never been attempted, much less actually carried out yet. I mean, those who are used to being on non-Mastodon Fediverse projects like Akkoma or Misskey or Friendica or Hubzilla are also used to having thousands of characters to play with and all kinds of text formatting and bullet-point lists and quotes and quote-posts, sometimes even things like headlines or images embedded in posts. It's only natural for them not to understand how those feel who only know Mastodon. But I've read enough Mastodon toots that I think I'm able to understand how they feel. And not exactly rarely, posts that do stuff impossible on Mastodon and/or clash with Mastodon's culture (which requires e.g. content warnings in the summary field, regardless of whether whatever you use has a better solution than that) make them feel disturbed. That said, I'd say that right now the number of Mastodon users who actually demand everything that isn't Mastodon be Fediblocked is rather small. But make it possible, and tell them that it's possible, and more users will demand it. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Defederation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Defederation</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DefederationMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DefederationMeta</a>

Jupiter RowlandI'm almost tempted to go to Mastodon's GitHub repository and submit a feature request for an instance type allowlist/blocklist. The blocklist would exclude all instances of a certain type (project). The allowlist would only allow such. I'd explicitly state that the allowlist would make it possible to defederate everything that isn't Mastodon. I'd really like to see the reactions. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Defederation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Defederation</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DefederationMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DefederationMeta</a>

Draconic NEO<a href="https://oisaur.com/@renchap" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@renchap</a> On one hand this seems like a good change because transparency is important and can help users make informed decisions. Although on the other hand with how the <a href="https://pawb.fun/tags/threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threads</a> situation and admins going under <a href="https://pawb.fun/tags/NDA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NDA</a> I can also see this being used as a divisive tactic to turn users against servers and admins. So this feature really is a double edged sword and could be a transparency tool but also could have ulterior motives in its implementation.So while I think it is good to show lost follows from <a href="https://pawb.fun/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a>, I'm not so keen on notifications when admins sever follows, as that seems divisive.

Seth 🎙️:jawn_sg:Honestly, instead of asking an instance to defederate from Threads.net and effect the whole userbase of that instance, just block the domain yourself. Take responsibility for your own experience.<a href="https://s3th.me/tags/justSaying" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#justSaying</a> <a href="https://s3th.me/tags/takeResponsibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#takeResponsibility</a> <a href="https://s3th.me/tags/threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threads</a> <a href="https://s3th.me/tags/defederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#defederation</a> <a href="https://s3th.me/tags/personalDefederation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#personalDefederation</a>

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