Well, raspbian has officially become bloatware. Good reason to try Debian for RPi :)
@yarmo Eh, kind of an overreaction. The RPi collection is already 'bloated' with lots of tools for using the Pi in various ways. Adding Microsoft's VSCode repo just makes it easier to install a *very popular* source code editor.
While the decision to add it might have been murky, ultimately it's up to the Raspbian people to make that decsision. You're not really forced to use it.
Lets not be sensationalist about it.
@nathand the decision and the *way* it is done. Very un-everything they stand for.
Sure it's their decision to include unsolicited repos. As it is our decision to not accept this and promote against these practices.
You are not wrong. You say "overreaction". Opting out is easy, so why the fuss?
I say "slippery slope ahead".
@yarmo I don't know much about the Rasbian governance board, but if it's anything like the Debian one, I'd agree. I'd wager that it's not, though. It exists to help sell RPi units and give people an leaping off point for using the device.
In fact, it looks like it's two guys: https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianTeam
Probably with the help of some maintainers and the RPi folks for technical fixes and platform-specific updates.
@nathand: You mix up things:
Raspbian has nothing to do with this hostile act of adding a third-party APT repo without knowledge of the admins.
@yarmo Glad I went with Arch on two of my Pi’s. I need to check the third one which runs DietPi. That’s based on Raspbian.
@yarmo I need to switch to Debian on my pi. Yeah I don't need to install microsoft programs but its not as secure.
@yarmo I noticed that too. Just delete it. Raspberry Pi OS (as it is called now) is meant to be a first step into the world of Linux. Now, if you want to see extra software that lots of folks won't use, give Twister a try on your Pi. It even comes with AM2R installed, which is cool, and an icon to switch between Windows-like theme and Mac-like.
But you should also remove /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/microsoft.gpg
@bbbhltz: Honestly, I don't know. Maybe, but if so then likely not only.
I'm convinced that shipping #RaspberryPiOS with otherwise rather expensive #Mathematica despite there are free alternatives available in #Debian and hence also #Raspbian is a way to hook up people to it so that they also buy it for their PC. And I can imagine that #WolframResearch even paid for having it installed by default.
@yarmo Does it install the MS Software on it out of the box? Doesn't look like it.
Does it ping to make sure the source is alive when you run an update? Yes
Do apt naturally check to make sure repos are still alive? More than likely.
Do you know every repo that it hits? I bet not.
Really a non-starter.
P.S. Bill Gates doesn't have anything to do with running Microsoft anymore.
P.P.S. Linux runs great on Windows, and having bash as a CLI choice works beautifully.
@yarmo Made the switch a long time ago, mainly to get access to the increased repo of software haha.
Even had to change architectures: https://chiraag.me/blog/2019/07/28/converting-raspbian-to-debian-sid/
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