@edgren yeah, I only use it because some of my friends use it really 🤢
@twann Ok 😕 Don't the want to use your messaging app of choice?
@edgren well,I already managed to convince some of them to leave WhatsApp, and don't think that they are ready to use something like XMPP
@twann Good 🙂 Na, true. XMPP are very hard to love. It's easier to convince people to join Telegram, though 😁
@edgren sure, but Telegram isn't E2E, and the server's software is proprietary and that's sad
@twann If you don't like cloud chats[1] and want to use Telegram some day in the future, use secret chats[2] 🙂 Problem solved.
[1]: https://telegram.org/faq#q-so-how-do-you-encrypt-data
[2]: https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-are-secret-chats-different
@edgren yeah, I know that feature. However, it's not available for group chats or on the desktop client (which is a shame).
And the server software is still closed source and centralized.
@twann True, but they are working on adding secret chat for Linux, Windows, and macOS. They also plan to let people create secret groups (E2EE like secret chats). I read this in a message from Pavel Durov himself in his group or channel (can't find it right now).
Yeah, unfortunately MTProto's source code are closed, but for good reason[1]. Telegram might be self-hosted in the future[2].
[1]: https://t.me/durovschat/515221
[2]: https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-run-telegram-using-my-own-server
@edgren I think there isn't a "good reason" not to publish the server's source code.
And it still requires a phone number to sign up, which is a privacy nightmare.
@twann When it comes to Russia that wants to get an hold on MTProto to be able to control the Russian citizens, it is a very good reason!
Pavel Durov fled Russia because Putin had sent a SWAT group to get him because of they had no control over VKontakte[1].
I have read a lot about Telegram and a little less about Pavel Durov. And the more I read about Telegram and the plans Pavel have for it, the more I love it.
Yeah, the phone number requirement are a minus.
@twann #deltachat can be a valid or better alternative, depending on the situation/needs
@twann Yet another reason why I really don't want to use Signal then 😂