@edgren well,I already managed to convince some of them to leave WhatsApp, and don't think that they are ready to use something like XMPP
@twann Good 🙂 Na, true. XMPP are very hard to love. It's easier to convince people to join Telegram, though 😁
@twann If you don't like cloud chats and want to use Telegram some day in the future, use secret chats 🙂 Problem solved.
@edgren yeah, I know that feature. However, it's not available for group chats or on the desktop client (which is a shame).
And the server software is still closed source and centralized.
@twann True, but they are working on adding secret chat for Linux, Windows, and macOS. They also plan to let people create secret groups (E2EE like secret chats). I read this in a message from Pavel Durov himself in his group or channel (can't find it right now).
Yeah, unfortunately MTProto's source code are closed, but for good reason. Telegram might be self-hosted in the future.
@edgren I think there isn't a "good reason" not to publish the server's source code.
And it still requires a phone number to sign up, which is a privacy nightmare.
@twann When it comes to Russia that wants to get an hold on MTProto to be able to control the Russian citizens, it is a very good reason!
Pavel Durov fled Russia because Putin had sent a SWAT group to get him because of they had no control over VKontakte.
I have read a lot about Telegram and a little less about Pavel Durov. And the more I read about Telegram and the plans Pavel have for it, the more I love it.
Yeah, the phone number requirement are a minus.
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