Abortion, Roe v Wade 

It saddens me to see how religion is once again used to oppress and control the people by those in power. Abortion is objectively necessary for the health of millions of women worldwide who fear today that their rights will be diminished in the future.

But it's not only just about dehumanising women with the excuse of unborn fetuses; the christian nationalists are coming for the LGBT collective and to hinder any progress made in the last century. Fuck fascism!

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Abortion, Roe v Wade 

Don't bother responding with lose interpretations on when life starts or equating abortion to murder. You're wrong.

Stop basing your opinions about how the world should work on twisted religious beliefs. Listen to what sience has proved time and time again and grow some empathy for your neighbor.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@taxorubio What do you have in mind that science has proved? I would say this debate is really about morality (e.g. women's reproductive rights vs the rights of foetuses). Morality isn't in the realm of science is it?

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@underlap It is in the realm of medical science to study and warn about the dangers of denying access to quality abortions to women: who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/. They're not going to stop, they're going to be performed in unsafe conditions and clandestinity, risking the lifes of thousands of women who got pregnant by rape or other causes outside of their control.

Absticence is not a solution when violent men can abuse women and let them unable to terminate their pregnancy.

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@underlap The morality debate you propose isn't accurate either. Fetuses don't have a the ability to feel or rationalise. There's no sense protecting the rights of an unborn fetus so you can automatically remove them all once they're out of the womb.

This is not about the unborn or morality, that's an excuse to divert the discussion. It is about fascist control over women and whoever those in power see as inferior.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@taxorubio @underlap people in comas can’t feel or rationalize either, should we euthanize them? The severely mentally disabled?

On the other hand, it has been shown that fetuses do feel things. But have you had a conversation with a three-year-old? There’s not a lot of rational thought there. Your argument is specious.

As for rape victims, two wrongs don’t make a right. They shouldn’t be shamed but given love and support, and there are lots of places that can do that.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@IslandUsurper @underlap I'm not going to entertain your slippery slope arguments, because you know the situations you presented have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

If you believe that raped women should have to give birth to the child of their rapist while "others show her love" you're absolutely insane and have no empathy for women. Please don't talk to me.

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@taxorubio I think you are saying that if fetuses cannot feel or rationalise, then they should not have any rights of protection. That seems like a moral argument rather than a scientific one.

I think we disagree on the details of the moral argument, but my point was simply that this is a moral argument rather than a scientific one.

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@underlap But its not. You're disregarding the healthcare problems of the millions of women affected by this decision by framing it as a moral argument. There's no moral way to let women die by denying them access to healthcare with the excuse of not terminating the pregnancy that's killing them. That's not moral, that's sadistic.

Access to quality abortion procedures is not a moral stand, it is a healthcare problem that already kills women around the globe.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@taxorubio You seem to be saying that any argument based on morality would necessarily be anti-abortion. But you have also made a moral argument for access to abortion.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@underlap It is if you want to frame such an argument in a way that portrays both sides as equally valid. If you're proposing a discussion between the rights of women to decide over their own bodies to the rights of unborn fetuses carried by those women, you're setting the grounds for an anti-abortion argument, because a pro-life (of the woman) system would give her the full autonomy to protect herself and carry the fetus term if she so pleases.

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@underlap What's more, any argument in favour of outright banning abortion is inherently against the fetus, not in favour of it, because once they're born they may have to live a life that was not prepared for them in many ways. Aborting a pregnancy is a much better solution for both the woman and her fetus than living in poverty because she can't afford a child, for example. And again, this will keep happening, so the ban won't stop abortions, just make them clandestine.

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@taxorubio This article makes my point from a pro-choice stance: fosstodon.org/@underlap/108548

Abortion, Roe v Wade 

@underlap @taxorubio The general argument is that the rights of the fetus should not outweigh the rights of the mother.

It's a complex issue.
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