No Windows 11 for this machine, as per "PC Health Check". TPM is not compliant, though that can be fixed - reason is the CPU. What BS. Come on MS.


@olivers they have planned obsolescence down to a fine art

@stardot I know that's not what you meant, but yes, Windows seems more and more obsolete ;)

@olivers indeed, and on the bright side it floods the 2nd hand market with a lot of perfectly servicable hardware for alternative OS users to pick up at a discount 😄

@stardot Well this is already my secondary machine (or, hm, machine number 6 or so, really), specifically for Windows purposes... I guess there's hope that the requirement details will be revised in time, but if not then I'll need to find a different solution.

@olivers I can't even imagine what your primary machine is like. Most powerful box I have is a quad core laptop from 2014.

@stardot When I said number 6, I meant that any old laptop counts ahead of a pure Windows box :) But I see what you mean - attached image shows my primary machine doing some handbraking the other day.

@olivers I almost had a pure windows box but I had to make it dual boot because it felt wrong. I don't use it for Linux but it's there for moral compliance.

That's the kind of box I need for ripping my bluray collection, unfortunately it's just going to take me a very long time.

@stardot I know what you mean about how it feels wrong, but then it's not personal, just business :) Ripping - I've been doing that for years, way back to the DVD ages, and even just to catch up costs me enough time whenever I get round to it. The alternative to lots of processing power is lots of storage though - much easier problem to solve these days.

@olivers wouldn't be so sure of that, have you tried finding new hard drives lately? I burnt through my NAS storage ripping my DVD collection earlier this year which I intend to leave as unprocessed MKV but I can't stomach 23GB+ per Bluray even if I had the space for it. The other dimension is time though and home working does have some benefits but I'm looking at over an hour per movie with qsv. It's half tempting to just download copies, it's not pirating if I already own the movie, right? 🤨

@stardot My QNAP currently has mainly these: - and it seems to me the price hasn't changed since I last checked. But obviously ripped movies eat up your TBs quite quickly, no question...
I'm afraid I believe everything is pirating if you ask the people who define what pirating is. If that makes sense.

@olivers availability is the main issue, particularly on the larger drives, I'm looking for 10TB+ which are like gold dust particularly as I have a mirror of WD Reds which apparently just ticked over 7 years of uptime 3 days ago without missing a beat so it's hard to get anything else even if they are a bit pricy

@stardot Well, holy cow :) My QNAP has 8 slots so there's enough storage (for me) without needing humongous drives like that. 10TB... didn't even know they made those. Well perhaps I did, but only from a distance!

@stardot @olivers do they? This is a company that has created an OS that is backward compatible like 20 something years. That’s FAR from planned obsolescence.

I wonder if the final version of Windows 11 will have these requirements, or if it’s just for the dev builds. To my previous point, Windows has always had excellent backwards compatibility, so I’ll be surprised if they break that mould now.

I could be completely wrong of course. 😊

@kev @stardot well, we were joking… more or less. I think it’s a strange mix historically. They certainly claim lots of backward compatibility, and that’s often been to the detriment of product strategy. And yet they have made people buy new machines for their newest software, many times - starting (?) with Word 6, Windows 95 and 2000, Vista, and others.

For the requirements, I agree that things will likely change. They sell it badly…

@olivers @kev there was an element of hyperbole but there's an undercurrent of truth. Microsoft have always upheld their deal with hardware vendors, "you install Windows and we'll keep the customers coming". It's TPM now, it was UEFI before, they will compromise again, but that won't stop Win11 being a bloated whale because that's by design.

@olivers yeah, that's a good point. There i a spotty past there, and I agree on the product strategy point. I think many would prefer for them to own it, cut their losses and start as fresh.

@stardot I'm not sure I agree on the "bloated whale" thing. Windows 10 feels just as snappy on my machine as Linux does, to be honest.

I suppose we will see. 🙂

@kev @olivers It's more obvious on older hardware. I run W10 on a Core2duo w/ 8gb DDR2 RAM. KDE Neon runs snappy on this box which isn't a minimalist distro by anyone's definition, but I had to overclock the CPU 30% and put it on an SSD just to make Windows 10 usable. There's nothing particularly special about what Windows 10 does over KDE Neon, but KDE achieves a lot more with less.

@stardot @kev Yes, agreed. Linux is all about options - there's hardly any hardware you can't use. Windows only just made the first tentative steps in the direction of supporting a new processor platform, first time since NT4. However, Windows strategy is not too different from Mac that way - I personally don't complain that they stop supporting old hardware at some point. What I don't like is the unreasonable (and actually reason-free) definition of "old hardware".

@olivers @kev In the past 10 years, unless you follow high-end gaming, hardware like mine that's 12 years old still has functional value. You couldn't say that in 1996 about hardware from 1984, the idea of a C64 running Windows 95 is absurd. The reality is unless there's a leap in the average computing requirements such as machine learning becoming a daily must-have, then they should respect a lot of people fell off the upgrade train a while back and thats a good thing environmentally speaking.

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