In hindsight, it was probably a mistake to create a Keybase account. At least it wasn't all that hard to delete my account.

@sbanwart What's a good alternative? Just tried and failed :/

@karan Haven't got that far yet. Based on the acquisition announcement today, it's clear Keybase was acquired for their expertise in encrypted messaging and not for their product. I have a feeling Keybase will be left to die slowly as the development team shifts to working on Zoom.

@greypilgrim If there are no plans currently for the Keybase product, there is likely no plan ever for the Keybase product. Zoom made the acquisition to get help developing end-to-end encryption for their conferencing system.

@sbanwart @karan Here I have to ask how a small group of individuals that have a product that is deeply coupled with Blockchain are considered "experts" in end-to-end encryption. Their use of Blockchain made no sense to me from the beginning.

@karan @sbanwart I have tried many chat programs meant to be secure. I'd recommend trying or possibly Rocket Chat. But Keybase has the richest experience IMO. I follow Matrix releases and they are still squashing important bugs often at this point. I might go back to them in a year or two if Keybase tanks.

@greypilgrim @karan I've never used the chat features. I was primarily interested in having a place to store and share my GPG keys.

@sbanwart @karan In that case, I don't know of good alternatives. Bummer.
You don't see this as Zoom making a right move?

@greypilgrim @karan I think it's a great move for Zoom, and they definitely need help in the security/encryption area, but I don't see how Keybase fits into their business at all.

@sbanwart @greypilgrim @karan Which, after all, was the original design of Keybase! Just never understood why they made it a Blockchain solution.

@greypilgrim @karan @sbanwart I really like Mattermost ( for this. It is free to install and use without the Enterprise features. It supports end-to-end encryption out of the box! It's also self-hosted so you can set it up however you like! It also has an interface and features similar to Slack.

@WhoNeedszZz @karan @sbanwart Since when has it been E2EE? I have been running a MM server for years and used to run two. AFAIK, it has no content encryption other than transport (TLS).

@greypilgrim @karan @sbanwart I'm not sure when it transitioned to Enterprise, but I know it's been gathering a lot of traction with companies.

Ah, good catch. It doesn't support end-to-end out of the box. That being said, you can always implement encryption of the data going in and out of the database with existing solutions for that.

@greypilgrim @karan @sbanwart I think it's important to really assess whether you _really_ need encryption at rest.

@WhoNeedszZz At rest can be implemented using LUKS for example. That's not that great IMO unless your server is LAN only. If my chats are going over the Internet, I really prefer E2EE.

Signal is a great mobile messaging alternative, but the desktop client is limited by comparison.

@greypilgrim See previous reply. It's built-in after all.

I wouldn't really compare Signal with it because they have very different designs. Signal is nice, but is still following the "shouting down the hallway" model of messaging. Yes, there are groups, but there are no channels. I think channels are king and IRC got this right from the beginning. Mattermost follows the latter model.

@greypilgrim Mattermost also supports user roles, but is limited in the selection. I with they would make it like Discord and allow user-configurable roles.

@sbanwart Yeah, going to delete my account as well. Don't know why I didn't sooner.

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