We are considering to move postmarketOS to SourceHut: https://postmarketos.org/blog/2022/07/25/considering-sourcehut/
(Please read the full blog post instead of just commenting based on the headline 😉)
There's no real schedule. The "closed beta" isn't really an issue with #WoodpeckerCI, the software itself is working fine. But our resources regarding infrastructure and setup are limited, and we don't yet want to make any promises regarding this specific service. We haven't seen significant outages recently, though.
Given the close relationship between @postmarketOS and Alpine Linux, is using Alpine infrastructure (GitLab + SouceHut mailing list) an option? SourceHut is designed for the ease of migration so it would not be an issue to move to another instance in the future, I am just looking forward to seeing more instances. In addition, has there been a discussion on hosting more SourceHut microservices on alpinelinux.org?
sourcehut is basically a one-man show. On his whim or failure the whole thing could collapse. Also that individual has been very toxic in the past. Are you sure you want to put all your eggs in that basket?
If they had already made up their minds do you think #pmos would have bothered to make the blogpost, the podcast with their arguments and opening the discussion and _asking_ for feedback on this idea, and mentioning in the blogpost that they can backtrack on it?
TL;DR if you actually have a contribution and arguments for this debate, make a comment on the ticket and read the arguments in the blogpost first.
instead if just making posts in a social media.
Also as a disclaimer: I am not a member or user of #pmos project.
Simply got triggered with:
- A project makes an effort to start an online debate and present their arguments to start the debbate
- then people assuming the decision is already made for
Instead of speculating that "the decision is already made" on social media
How about checking for yourself if that speculative idea of your is true or not by actually participating in the debate.
I'm not a contributor so my opinion doesn't carry much weight. I'm OK with that. I just hate to see them make a bad decision.
For the record: Drew Devault is a brilliant dude. He's made some brilliant things. He's just a one-man show and he's been a bit of a jerk in the past. I wouldn't spit in his ear if his brain was on fire. He earned that.
“In 2022, many developers are now used to the merge request / pull request submit and review workflow via web UI. On SourceHut, developers are supposed to send patches via git send-email.”
This is embarrassing.
Please choose well-run independent GitLab oder Gitea instance instead. I heard good things about Codeberg which runs Gitea.
Or reconsider self-hosting. I run two GitLab instances and it is not much hassle. Gitea is said to be even easier to host.
@postmarketOS it would be good to tell #gitlab that it's because of their pricing changes that you are moving to a new forge.
I'm planning on hosting my own instance, but my group has one more active user. It would carry more weight if more projects moved from gitlab because of their changes.
On a similar note, it's a pity gitlab isn't present on the fediverse...
@loveisgrief @postmarketOS it's not the pricing changes, per se. it's that gitlab is driving users to use and rely on the proprietary parts of their service. we're perfectly capable of paying for hosting somewhere, but we don't want to pay for non-free hosting services (or get them for "free" as we are right now with gitlab's OSS program)
if Drew *actually* implements web-based review, then SourceHut would probably be a significant improvement over current forges -- assuming that it isn't tied to mailing lists in some clunky way.
until then, SourceHut is "the hacker's forge" but only for some hackers.
I would strongly consider waiting to see how that review system gets built out before actually committing to this plan, personally.
We will be trying it out with just 1 repo, mainly so we can get a better handle on what other areas might need improvement before committing fully to moving. This is all explained in the blog and podcast linked above 😄
After reading their blog post and the forum thread, I totally agree. They are shooting themselves in the foot, and they don't care. Based off what they apparently did with their starter plan, they have done something similar, and didn't care that they lost income and customers. So I totally agree with this decision. I am not looking forward to the day Gitlab kills of their only product on accident.
@postmarketOS I hope you also consider making a forum. Too many questions get left unanswered in the Matrix chat
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