@mike
I didn't mean to sound like I support FAANG in their creepiness, but at the same time, I have a very hard time faulting them. They have, in fact, done so very much to make the world a better place.
(Sorry for late response, work has been busy today) - 2/2

@mike
What I said was that it hasn't changed conceptually. Of course it has changed a lot over the years, but the concepts that make the web profitable enough for a company like Google to devise something like Material Design or Chrome and give it away for free have stayed the same over the years.
Make as much money on ads as possible, give away free software to draw more people to ads, then make even.more money on ads.
Ads are the center of the web - 1/2

@Wolf480pl
Why do they need to consciously consent? They are on someone else's property. I don't ask for your consent when I record you and your conversations when you are on my property. I also don't consciously consent to the local jiffy Mart recording me when I go in to buy a candy bar.
@colomar @mike @kwnd

@mike

What I have seen is that regulation never solves the problems, it tends to just bend to problems to the advantage of the regulators to get something else that they want.
(Sorry for the long response, but I just found out that Fedilabs auto composes multiple toots!) - 3/3

@mike
We accepted it long ago when the advertising model for the internet was more clear. Everyone was happy to see ads go away. A lot of people were happy to see targeted ads.
When my issue came in when the govt started co-opting that data and building citizen profiles. Every piece of 'regulation' that has been passed so far has constructed a scenario that enabled more profiling of citizens by their govts while restricting the companies unless they play the game - 2/3

@mike
But that is what the internet is today. Every website is another person's filesystem/program/computer and when you visit you must be aware that you are being tracked and tagged and all that.
I don't think it is ideal, but the internet hasn't conceptually changed in the last 20 years. Not really. Google made the internet faster with their distributed server model. Facebook created the global identity - 1/3

@mike
That is why I tend to see websites similarly to people's homes. It is their home and you enter at your own risk. The issue with tracking that I do have is that it follows you, but if you are being tracked and data collected about you in someone's home, maybe you shouldn't visit their home.

You know, I think about data protection and all that. I think about privacy. I hear everyone blame the companies for all their privacy woes and all I hear is whining. I have whined about it too I guess. Google never lied about their intentions. They were very upfront with how you paid for their awesome and free products. I feel like FAANG shouldn't be apologizing or taking responsibility. The user gave up responsibility willingly and it is up to the user to take back responsibility.

I just want to quit my job and play Elite Dangerous.

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@colomar
Thank you! And likewise! You have given me a lot to think (and read) about, as always.

Also, I've tried being a fundamentalist before and it just drains my spirit too much. πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜ƒ
@klaatu

@colomar
One could argue that your proposition there is a free-market one... πŸ˜‰πŸ˜πŸ˜
@klaatu

@colomar
I think you are right. I think history supports you in that too(i.e. the Pinkertons). I guess my biggest problem then is with the state. The state only exists through violence and the threat of force, therefore the state is evil by definition.

I need to research coops more. I like the idea.
(Don't worry, I'm not abandoning AnCap just yet.)
I also really enjoy every conversation I've had with you so far. I love that you don't jump to conclusions about my character.
@klaatu

@colomar
Oh yes, I like the part of coops that doesn't derive their power from the state. Actually, if there was a way to make it work economically without force, I think I would love AnCom ideals... πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜ƒ

But my exerience in economics and economic history gives me a great deal of pause before I could ever endorse it. I do not endorse Marxism however because it requires (at its roots) force and coercion.
@klaatu

@colomar
For me it is more the nonaggression part. Capitalism just seems to default to nonaggression in its basic roots. It is when govt gets involved that I see capitalism getting aggression and coercive.

So basically I favor the NAP, individualism, and property rights. Everything else is just annoying in my view.

(@klaatu if you want me to take you out of my responses, please say so.)

@colomar
What is the philosophy behind the co-op movement? I ducked it(hehehe) and googled it and I can't find a central philosophical ideation unifying the cooperative movements.
@klaatu

@colomar
Bahaha, yeah. I have actually really been intrigued by coops. They tend to be non aggressive and fully voluntary, which really interests me. This is my eternal internal struggle.

@klaatu

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@poetgrant @klaatu
Oh yeah! It's Monday morning, I have a fresh cup of bold coffee and a new episode of Gnu World Order. Great way to begin the week.

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