No Windows 11 for this machine, as per "PC Health Check". TPM is not compliant, though that can be fixed - reason is the CPU. What BS. Come on MS.

@olivers they have planned obsolescence down to a fine art

@stardot @olivers do they? This is a company that has created an OS that is backward compatible like 20 something years. That’s FAR from planned obsolescence.

I wonder if the final version of Windows 11 will have these requirements, or if it’s just for the dev builds. To my previous point, Windows has always had excellent backwards compatibility, so I’ll be surprised if they break that mould now.

I could be completely wrong of course. 😊

@kev @stardot well, we were joking… more or less. I think it’s a strange mix historically. They certainly claim lots of backward compatibility, and that’s often been to the detriment of product strategy. And yet they have made people buy new machines for their newest software, many times - starting (?) with Word 6, Windows 95 and 2000, Vista, and others.

For the requirements, I agree that things will likely change. They sell it badly…

@olivers @kev there was an element of hyperbole but there's an undercurrent of truth. Microsoft have always upheld their deal with hardware vendors, "you install Windows and we'll keep the customers coming". It's TPM now, it was UEFI before, they will compromise again, but that won't stop Win11 being a bloated whale because that's by design.

@olivers yeah, that's a good point. There i a spotty past there, and I agree on the product strategy point. I think many would prefer for them to own it, cut their losses and start as fresh.

@stardot I'm not sure I agree on the "bloated whale" thing. Windows 10 feels just as snappy on my machine as Linux does, to be honest.

I suppose we will see. 🙂

@kev @olivers It's more obvious on older hardware. I run W10 on a Core2duo w/ 8gb DDR2 RAM. KDE Neon runs snappy on this box which isn't a minimalist distro by anyone's definition, but I had to overclock the CPU 30% and put it on an SSD just to make Windows 10 usable. There's nothing particularly special about what Windows 10 does over KDE Neon, but KDE achieves a lot more with less.


@stardot @kev Yes, agreed. Linux is all about options - there's hardly any hardware you can't use. Windows only just made the first tentative steps in the direction of supporting a new processor platform, first time since NT4. However, Windows strategy is not too different from Mac that way - I personally don't complain that they stop supporting old hardware at some point. What I don't like is the unreasonable (and actually reason-free) definition of "old hardware".

@olivers @kev In the past 10 years, unless you follow high-end gaming, hardware like mine that's 12 years old still has functional value. You couldn't say that in 1996 about hardware from 1984, the idea of a C64 running Windows 95 is absurd. The reality is unless there's a leap in the average computing requirements such as machine learning becoming a daily must-have, then they should respect a lot of people fell off the upgrade train a while back and thats a good thing environmentally speaking.

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