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Reading up on Psychogeography as an Urban Planning tool and thinking about its implications in software UX design testing.
Would be fun to create informal tests like that for various applications.
Maybe ask users to draw or recreate an app from memory, workflow and all? Then you have to somehow discern WHAT brought the knowledge of each part - is it a good memory or bad?

Now I'm wildly trying to find the name of that damn romantic city planner dude who was in opposition to modernist city planning - searching for terms like "romantic" and "neoclassicist" really doesn't bring out anything.

His idea anyway was that cities needed an organic grid and not a created, controlled, grid, to create a human existance within them with mystery and interest of wandering baked into them. A place with no straight streets and hidden turns.

@ohyran I have an objection to the idea that you can manufacture that sort of organic city planning. Those cities are organic precisely because they grew organically and weren't artificially planned.

Roads and streets were laid after where people had chosen to walk. Buildings erected where people deemed it valuable. A few hundred years of that and you get wonderful mish-mash cities.

Trying to create that same feel will look like early CGI from movies: artificial.

@kungtotte well the idea is to allow looser reins in city planning and in his case IIRC to not plan for heavy traffic in most districs or ban it entirely.
The core concept was to allow for human wanderlust and curiosity as a driving factor.
I mean in some ways his ideas as planned can be found here in Gothenburg in the shape of enclave cities (like Norra Guldheden) - a place which exists almost in isolation from the surrounding city.

@ohyran @kungtotte if you find him please share. I'm incredibly interested.

@qwazix @kungtotte will do!

I mean all remember is the dudes ideas and a very romantic 19th century photo of him half-lounging wearing a floppy artistic hat.

Don't expect results is what I'm trying to say :D

@ohyran @kungtotte I'll keep an eye too during my urban-planning tab-frenzy sessions. I was reading up on garden cities and Le Corbusier's "ville radieuse" the other day, which are, quite the opposite.

@kungtotte aaaanyway the way this ties into software UX design is to see the user interest of exploration as a valuable asset. For that to even work the user have to feel trust in their ability to test things, that stuff wont break.
So it's like a core area of stability to which you can always return, with features as an added extra placed where they are accessible to explore but always easier to return from or set back to "normal" (or something, havent thought it through yet)

@deejoe no - the one I'm thinking of is either French or Austrian and active around 1850 I think

@ohyran

If you sort out who it is, I look forward to seeing that.

@ohyran
Frank Lloyd Wright? I think he was into the idea of decentralised cities, but not sure if that involved the kind of layout you're talking about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_

@ohyran
Oh wait he might be more recent than who you're looking for...

@ohyran Just a guess, but the way you describe him, it could be Ebenezer Howard.

@ovidius no thats the Garden City dude. He belonged to a different faction and in a way an early forerunner to the modernist urban planners.

@ohyran Now, you got me into reading about city planing. I had no idea that Goethe has had any influence there and never heard of Patrick Geddes before. I won't be able to help you, but that is an interesting trip. 😃

@ohyran Christopher Alexander, A City is Not A Tree, perhaps?

@kensanata not the right dude - but this seems fitting as well. Ty <3

@ohyran This is a very interesting idea! I would have thought of things like people getting lost deliberately in an unknown piece of software, or trying to solve a problem with a contrived manual

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