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Anyone who's been in the Linux desktop world long enough remembers the trend (which quickly morphed into a meme) "that's it, I'm switching to Arch".

With almost every day bringing us of more proof of how much our phones are spying on us, and how we actually don't own them, I wish a similar trend would emerge on mobile computing:

"That's it, I'm getting a ".

Ok well, feel free to replace Pinephone with or any other Linux phone. 😀

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@normandc
still waiting for libre processors and other really libre hardware though

@tykayn
Ah now that will be a much tougher nut to crack, unfortunately.

@normandc
we have succeded in that field on 3d printers, and risc-v libre stuff is happening. so nothing is impossible

@tykayn
Yes, I follow risc-v development from afar, but it does not appear to be very accessible for now.

I wonder if going backwards in technology would help. Wozniak and Jobs created the Apple I in a garage (granted it still used a mass produced CPU). What if we went back to 8-bit? I guess we would have to forego mobile computing.

BTW I know nothing about electronics.

@normandc
I've wondered the same way about coming back to 8 bit.

But. I think the complexity doesn't come from n-bits but from all the proc improvements there has been since the 8-bit procs.

It's not ''just an improved ALU and interruption box'' anymore
@tykayn

@tykayn
One crucial difference with phones is the antenna. As I understand it, the antenna CPU pretty much needs to have proprietary firmware, because of the electro-magnetic wave band regulations.

Something along the lines of devices may not be sold in most countries, if they could allow the end-user to send/receive signals on arbitrary wave bands and therefore interfere with e.g. satellites etc..
@normandc

@friend @normandc AFAIK you don't technically need proprietary stuff to emit and recieve on specific broadbands.

these broadcom processors are known to be unsafe and backdroor prone.
but to launch a company who makes processor, the entry tag is very high.
some companies offer cheap prices to build such components, but this is a very hard land to travel

@tykayn
Hmm, thinking about it, I guess, it's not that it needs to be proprietary, but rather that it needs to be impossible for end-users to flash a different firmware on these antenna chips.

And so, even if you do have open-source firnware, that's still effectively the same as proprietary firmware, because you can't even know that this open-source code is actually running on that chip.

@friend theres a big difference about trust and security expertise

@normandc that's it, I'm switching to Arch... on my pinephone

@normandc While I absolutely agree and *would* switch to a given the chance, the main difference (and probably main reason it's not happened) is Arch is free, while the Pinephone costs 200 bucks.

@Little__Ham
True. Although it's been possible to install Ubuntu Touch on selected Android devices for a while, and the list is constantly growing. I used it on a second-hand OnePlus One phone I got on eBay for $80 CAD two years ago. Unfortunately the screen's digitizer crapped on me after a year.

Work is being done to get mainline Linux working on Android phones, the @postmarketOS project is quite active in that field. Hopefully we'll see more and more usable phones soon.

@normandc In this comparison, it feels like the problem with "The Year of Desktop Linux". Desktop Linux is great and getting better all of the time. The people aren't following though.

In my mind, it's better than Windows, purer and cheaper than Apple, and it does everything I want well. But to everyone else's mind, "Can it run this awful program...?" or people don't like Linux but they can't figure out why.

Some people want something that's guaranteed to work by a large company.

@StampedingLonghorn
Yep, that sums it up. People are brainwashed by our capitalism-based society into believing anything worthwhile must come from big tech. I've long stopped trying to advocate for the Linux desktop. I kind of forced it on my dad - actually, I told him that if he wanted my continued help with his computer, I was no longer willing to support Windows. He was willing to try Linux, I installed Ubuntu. He's been happy enough, his needs are simple. I haven't tried to turn anyone else.

@normandc @StampedingLonghorn my ex girlfriend is one of my Linux conversion success stories. Not many others though. At this rate the whole planet will be using desktop Linux by the year 3154

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