@wowaname @blaubachn @nebunez
I thought ProtonMail supported PGP? (https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/how-to-use-pgp/)
But at least they're making a move to democratize privacy and encryption. I'm a power user, but I know most of my friends aren't. Setting up PGP with them would be an adventure, while having them open an account at ProtonMail is more easy. In the end you need an account somewhere anyway, so why not support this kind of effort while you're at it?
@wowaname @blaubachn @nebunez
As for IMAP/SMTP support, those protocols are not secure, so you have to have bridge that connects securely to protonmail, and then exposes a local IMAP/SMTP server for mail clients. The protonmail bridge is currently in beta which is why it's only available to premium users
Just want to summarize a bit. So you say that they are jokes because:
- No IMAP
- Not using PGP
- They aren't gratis
It sounds to me like these are somewhat matters of preference:
- I don't use IMAP anyways (Mobile app + Web client)
- I'm fine with mimicked pgp where my private key is generated from my password
- I'm fine with FOSS costing money
I think it's more that they don't fit what you are looking for, not that they are "jokes" implying they are unusable.
@nebunez I like protonmail. It's got a nice interface. If you need IMAP you'll have to pay for an upgraded account which supports their work/service. I used to run my own mail server but I no longer have stable enough internet at home to make that a viable option. My vps provider restarts my server too often to host something like a mail server there. Kinda annoying to have to ssh in to unlock root partition every time they decide to do that.
@nebunez basically if you want to use a mail client to retrieve your mail you'll need to use pop/IMAP. Otherwise protonmail web interface is how you'd check your mail. If you're coming from Gmail I think you'll find proton's web iface to be refreshing and more minimalistic.
@nebunez fastmail has a gmail importer
just click a button and connect and overnight your gmail emails will be in your fastmail account
I own a domain with which I forward my mx record to protonmail. I needed to pay for their bottom tier package to do this. My personal and professional (DNS pointed) mail arrive in the same inbox. I use a filter to sort pro mail into a separate folder.
My only gripe is that I need to use the webapp on linux as their bridge for linux mail clients is still in the works and if you have a phone that can't use their app, you're unable to check your mail without a computer.
@nebunez The biggest pro to using protonmail though, is it's end-to-end encryption between protonmail users. If someone is *not* on protonmail, you can send self destructing, password protected encrypted mails them. This has proven to be both very handy and impressive to clients.
@nebunez I didn't know about tutanota. I'm a happy ProtonMail user.
I remember 2 years ago I was so frustrated of the available mail providers. Either it's free and well known (gmail, microsoft, yahoo and what not) but then you become a GAFA product, or you have to go for some unkown underground provider that you don't know you can trust, or you have to pay, and even then you can't be sure what they do with your data.
It was such a relief finding protonmail.
I've read the article and it's very detailed in their investigation. But I starting suspecting the website more than their claims. Starting with saying they are the only ones with the proof. Then I saw their home page and notice that they critiqued every mainstream vpn. So which is more likely, only they are right or the rest of the world is right? And no other press have confirm their findings.
Yeah, that's the main source for the article. But again I kept searching and couldn't find any news article regarding the allegations. But I did find a counterargument. https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/is-nordvpn-operated-by-tesonet/
@mightywomble @Naughtylus @nebunez
Thanks for the input, everyone. I've been too busy to continue research, but these responses have given me points to consider.
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