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The above campaign about promoting the #RustLang tag instead of #Rust failed. At least I will not try to push it anymore

Newcomers often just use the #Rust tag first. So the correction will never end.

Decentralization has its bad sides. Are there any ideas to improve the situation of using a too general tag on #Mastodon?

Thanks for your support anyway

@mo8it The term is so muddied, it only ever made sense to me to use and follow #|RustLang.

However, we might want to add the #Pucciniales tag ;)
(Let’s not, though)

@mo8it TIL you can follow tags.

@shanecelis @mo8it It's one of the best ways to fill your feed with useful content!

@mo8it but you will miss all the photos of chunks of iron covered in oxidation!

@mo8it what's the problem with the rust tag instead of rustlang?

@mo8it good luck. I wholly support using the correct hashtag but won't be joining you in this behavior:
- it feels like trying to boil the ocean
- it might feel aggressive to some people to do that on every post, or even as a bad first interaction with the (mastodon) Rust community.

Instead I'll continue to lead by example and only use the correct hashtag (and not the other).

@mo8it I hope you've written a bot for that (in #rustlang, of course )

@Aedius @corpsmoderne @mo8it A quick review of the message and a key press?

@corpsmoderne I am trying to avoid nerd snipping in the recent time

@mo8it This, but for fans of the `cat` program

@mo8it maybe just reply by only adding the tag and without asking people to change.
Something like
"Adding RustLang so the Rust programming community will see this post"
We have enough people who explain how to toot.

@mo8it part of the issue is that you will not see every post. My instance will get some posts your instance doesn't see.

I am one of those that has been using the Rust tag, I started out using both, but my research back then said most only used the shorter tag.

I remember being very happy at having left all the gamers back at the bird site. I guess this has changed now.

I guess I need to do this research again to see if the RustLang tag is the bigger one in a while.

@mo8it as a Golang programmmer I feel your pain. ha

@mo8it Unlike “go” there are not many “rust” things to become noise. Even in search results, this is rarely a thing in my experience. It was a serious problem for Go, but it isn't for most other languages. No need to copycat it.

@tymwol @mo8it There’s some precedent for it:

dartlang.org
dlang.org
elixir-lang.org
fortran-lang.org
golang.org
groovy-lang.org
hacklang.org
julialang.org
kotlinlang.org
lisp-lang.org
racket-lang.org
rakulang.org
ruby-lang.org
rustlang.org
scalalang.org
typescriptlang.org
vlang.io
ziglang.org

(Don’t bother with pythonlang.org. Someone decided to squat on that so they could do some language bashing. )

@mo8it I was reluctantly following both tags until the verdict came out and my feed was flooded with more stuff I care little about; though, imagine if the US didn't always glorify gun violence in shows and movies.

https://fosstodon.org/@heaths/112055007845425337

You're doing the good work! Have you considered setting up a bot?

@mo8it I suppose it would come off as disingenuous and, worse, abusive if multiple bots started spamming people. The human-driven campaign to use alt text seems to be working fine.

@mo8it Ok someone takes it very seriously as far as I read

@mo8it but I so enjoy having a picture of oxidized metal every now and then.

@mo8it R is a fun one

@mo8it once in a while I wonder why I've got pictures of rusty objects and abandoned places in my timeline...

@mo8it Better not look at GNOME.

@mo8it No. First of all, picking a name is not about searchability. If it were, the best name would be a long chain of completely random characters (100% unique). Even brands and commercial products, that want to be easily discoverable because they make money on it, don't do it like this. Second, searchability is not about unique names. 1001 factors influence your position in search results.

@mo8it any search for LaTeX is a gamble whether you get what you are looking for, or some kinky clothing.

@mo8it How about the Chef infrastructure automation tool. Its command line tool is called "knife”, the code is made up of recipes that are collected in cookbooks. Oh, and test kitchen is, you guessed it, where you can test.

@mo8it
"Pick a name where you get almost no results on a search engine"

Similar issue with dotNetMAUI and Maui - never liked the name from the beginning for that very reason (but MS people thought it was a real cool name. Argh).

@mo8it I think this needs to be communicated where the newcomers will see it so they don't get in the habit of using #rust vs #rustlang

I am definitely guilty here!! I had no idea there was an effort to use a certain tag.

Anecdotally, if I had seen this as a suggestion on the Rust site, or in the Rust book, which I think are common entry points for newcomers, I would have known to use them!

It's nearly impossible to learn about proper tag usage via this platform, in my limited experience

@rodhlann @mo8it that’s a great idea. Seems a note about using #rustlang on https://www.rust-lang.org/community would be a start. I opened https://github.com/rust-lang/www.rust-lang.org/issues/1961.