Day 33 of the 2021 Series:

Microsoft is now embedding ads into Windows itself (has been for a while now). These ads can literally crash their shiny new OS. Yet another reason to just stick with Linux.

@mike wait a minute.. so you have to buy OS, and then, for your paid money they have audacity to show you ads? wow. I would some what understand free OS with ads, but buying?!

@efftoyz @mike You can pay extra for the Pro Edition without ads. Because of course.

@mike No part of this actually surprised me, which says quite a bit about the state of personal computing in 2021.

@mike I fear there will be a lot more issues similar to this for Windows 11. I have already loaded it up on a non-qualifying system to see what the hype was all about. It is basically just a locked down version of its predecessor. Less control, more bloat. Tbf, I am not surprised by any of it.

@cygnusx11 @mike are parts of the OS still directly taken from XP and looking like a total mess? like eg the IP address dialog or advanced printer settings

@piggo @mike Unfortunately yes. As a matter of fact, Microsoft actually boasted the fact that they kept some of the good things about XP. The issue now is they hide the mess with an overly oppressive gui that sort of hides the issues. The common user won’t know anything is wrong until that fun blue screen pops up. Again, no surprise though.

@piggo @cygnusx11 @mike to be fair, linux does its networking a text file that hasn't changed since the late 80s.

@mike Looks like the "sponsored apps" and other self installed crapwares on Windows 10 was just a start.

I'm glad that the only case I need it is for gaming.

@mike In my days a software with embedded ads has a name, it was called "adware".

In my days when a software spy the activity of your computer had a name, it was called "spyware".

This "evolution" is our fault as society because we allowed it in the first place and the worst, we normalised it.

That's why I don't trust when companies want to put their dirty hands on free/libre software and people allow them because they invest to make software faster and "better".

@mike speaks to the quality of their system that displaying a graphic or running a script can crash the OS. ActiveX running with system privs all over again?

No matter what they say, the only way to fix their problem child is a clean start designed properly from the ground up.

@mike First trackers in Windows XP Service Pack 2 or 3. Then keyloggers that monitors every keystroke you do within the operating system in Windows 7 or 8. After that, forcing you to login to your Outlook account if you want to use Windows 10 Home. And now, in Windows 11, ads.

I do not dare to think what they do next 🤢

@mike Seriously, this is what's going to happen. When all of these companies start struggling (some already have) to meet sustained, ridiculous, growth goals, they will start putting ads on even paid versions, then you can pay EVEN MORE if you want to remove the ads yet again. smh

@pyre35 I hope that there's a tipping point here where customers will become SO dissatisfied that they start looking towards alternatives, which in turn will force OEMs to adopt a different OS or put pressure on Microsoft to knock it the hell off. The larger OEMs may need pressure from up and coming smaller OEMs succeeding with non-Microsoft platforms, which is something I'm more than happy to help them do. So long as customers don't just trade one devil for another and switch to Apple.

@mike @pyre35 I am quite pessimistic about this trend. Anything which isn't public domain and which you have eyeballs on for some not-completely-trivial length of time will have an advert or brand logo slapped onto it like the waterproof tape meme. I expect that before long adverts will be directly coded into browsers (Brave might already do it). Also all proprietary software and games. If "product placement" isn't already a thing in games then that will happen. Elaborate subliminal marketing powered by ML will definitely happen. I bet there are researchers already working on that.

So we really ought to be quite militant about defending spaces - online and off - which are to some extent outside of capitalism and free from the constant nagging of ads.

@bob @mike @pyre35 given that they are already working on dream placement, i suspect this don't even begin to cover how invasive it will become.

@tychosoft @bob @mike this is a mess to be sure. I remember taking a course in marketing where the professor showed how much more return you could get using ML for targeted ads. I raised my hand and essentially said, "Or, we could be OK with just a 20-30% return?" And they said, "Why would I do that when I could get 60-70%, if not more?". My response will always be, because the trade-offs are simply not worth it. It's really that simple. Trying to work on this concept with family right now.

@tychosoft @bob @mike this does boil down to some level of cost-benefit analysis, something we seem to be increasingly terrible at conducting, both for ourselves and as a society as a whole.

@pyre35 @tychosoft @bob @mike In economics it's known as satisficing. But with capitalism there is no such thing as "enough". Everything must be pushed to the point of ruin, regardless of the social consequences.

@bob @pyre35 @mike indeed, hence why some of our people refer to the invaders as keshagesh. It's actually a Cree word that originally referred to greedy gut dogs who would eat their own food, and then everyone else's, too, so it's very clear why it came to describe the behavior of the invaders. My Chinese friends might find it amusing that this particular use could translate as "capitalist dog", hence it should relate to the phrase "running dog capitalist roader", too ;).

@bob @tychosoft @mike ah, I knew there was a word! Thanks for refreshing what I should have remembered from just a few months ago lol

@mike @pyre35 I’ve been frustrated with Windows for a long time. I’ve looked into alternatives and tried different Linux distros over the years (Ubuntu, Linux Mint, etc) but eventually switched to Apple. My MacBook Pro purchased 5 years ago is still going strong. I would love to get back into Linux, but I’m not sure if there are any hardware/software combos with Linux that are as reliable. Are there any Linux versions/laptops that wouldn’t require a ton of maintenance?

@pmorris @mike @pyre35

linux mint requires some learning curve at first but then is just as easy as windows

not much maintenance

@basilisk @mike @pyre35 thanks for the advice. For hardware, it looks like either the Dell XPS 13 or Lenovo Thinkpad are the best bet. Have you used either of those? Any other options that you think would provide good long term reliability?

@pmorris My X1 Carbon has been bulletproof for Linux. I've been a huge fan. It's a Gen 1 too, which means it's almost due it's 10th birthday here soon, and it's still running like a champ.

@basilisk @pyre35

@mike @basilisk @pyre35 I’m at a point where I don’t really need anything fancy. I just want it to work most of the time when I need it. Appreciate the rec

@pmorris @mike @pyre35

I would go with a brand name
just buy with the features you know you know need
if they come with windows pre-installed, you will have to do a couple of burns to
1. remove the windows
2. install linux from a usb or dvd

@pmorris @mike I've used linux for about 8 months now, but only as a daily driver for a few weeks. But, I also don't use my laptop for much "work", be it professional or personal. Regardless, linux mint seems to be pretty easy and reliable.

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