@mike Here's my two cents on that whole spiel: if he's back in so soon, I doubt he was ever more than an arms-length away.
@scylla It does seem to suggest that the initial resignation was probably more lip service than anything actually real. You're right there.
@mike I don't like RMS as a person but many of his ideas are at least worth listening to, for example free software. Personally I don't really care if he's apart if the FSF or not at this point the FSF doesn't really do anything anyway from what I can see. And having so fat dude stand on a stage and yell big tech is bad at people who came to hear him speak who probably already share his opinion on that isn't helping anything. Gotta find new ways to spread the message.
@koreymoffett I agree. Some of his ideas are worth listening to, but some very much are not. That's why placing him in a position of authority and leadership where he can implement his ideas without some form of oversight is problematic.
@mike Yeah, i can agree most of his ideas are kinda off but all ideas should be heard, if it's out there like most of his ideas it will be checked and shut down as hes not being made president only being put on the board of directors. But i can honestly see both sides of this argument. Personally i don't care though.
@mike I’ve never been a fan of RMS as a person. That said, if you want to go around accusing someone of bad things, try doing it without being an ageist yourself.
Also I didn’t have time to read it in detail, but your link to RMS quotes appears to be a litany of left-leaning geopolitical statements... hardly the proof of pedophilia hinted at. Maybe it’s in there, but a better reference is needed.
@rcode3 A better reference? I'm not sure what that would be. The link is to stallman.org, and is Richard Stallman's personal political notes. The list "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" is a direct copy and paste, and can be found less than 10 lines into the page. Or you can hit CTRL-F, paste it in, and the browser will take you right to it.
@mike Yes, a better reference. Like this one: https://blog.dachary.org/2020/02/10/how-the-cancel-culture-was-leveraged-against-rms/
I've never liked RMS as a person. He's a jerk. But his cancelling was not about justice. It was about his old foes settling old scores.
@rcode3 That's not a better reference. It's an opinion piece (not unlike my own). Ironically for your claim that I need a better reference for my Stallman quote, Dachary uses the exact same site for his own Stallman quotes. My quote here:
Dachary's quotes here:
So what do you think makes this "better" other than the opinion expressed by the author more accurately mirrors your own?
@mike Your blog post consists of "this is guy is old, therefore he sucks" and a link to his rather lengthy list of quotes of which only a few are relevant and none are placed into context. So yes, the link I provided you is much more relevant.
Here's a better piece that puts this all into much better perspective. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web
And FTR, I think RMS is a jerk. But that's irrelevant
@rcode3 That's, again, an opinion piece that pulls quotes from the exact same place I did. But OK, I updated my post to include some extra "context" for people who are having difficulty finding the quotes I'm referencing.
@mike Well he IS the Free Software Movement imho.
And calling someone out for his beard and age is smoething I thought we are over it.
The FSF needs him more than ever, since he is a constant for free software without compromise. A wing against those who cheaply sell those principles for fun using proprietary codecs, code etc. In the middle of these two lies the good way, imho. But without someone like Stallman, the FSF goes the way of Ubuntu.
@ryo I'd disagree. Stallman may have been the catalyst for the free software movement, but I think it will continue with or without him.
> The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
@Jase Honestly, his own words are much more damning than anything I've read in the petitions I've seen.
I can see your logic regarding membership to the FSF, but I also get no impression there's flexibility on this matter. As members, they're more inclined to listen to you, but if enough people drop their membership then they're forced to listen to their wallets.
Neither is a particularly good choice in this particular instance since it is so polarizing.
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