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Google is given kind of a pass on this one, but I'm not convinced that's fair. Makes new offerings like the PinePhone look really tempting.

"Attention, phone-makers: Our devices aren't your billboards"

computerworld.com/article/3528

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@mike It isn't. This is the danger all platform owners end up running into.

@mike My "it isn't" is meant to mean that it isn't fair to give Google a pass. 🙂

@boblmartens We need a "Linux" for phones that isn't controlled by an advertising company. Something open source and available to anybody without the spying.

@mike I agree completely. I wish someone would be able to step forward but that industry seems almost intentionally handicapped by regulations that it is a hard thing to break into.

@boblmartens Agreed. To the benefit of the established industry. I feel like there should be a way (at least in urban spaces) to utilize TOR/VPN/WiFi to create a completely separate voice system, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

@mike There are options out there (trying to work out with my two sons for us to use Riot.im for communicating over wifi). Sadly, our rural community doesn't have the ubiquitous wifi that would be needed ... but maybe that is OK.

@boblmartens The need to be constantly in touch is something that's only come about in the last decade or so. I'm just as bad as anybody else about my phone, but I have to wonder if it's good for us in the long run.

@mike Yes, exactly. That is something I am struggling with as well. What is the proper place?

@metbril Yes, very much like that. I'm still on the fence regarding the Librem 5, mostly because of the cost. The PinePhone seems like it's got a better chance at adoption for just that reason, but I like the idea, and I love the idea that there are several companies working on options now. Hopefully one or more of them can get some traction in the market.

@boblmartens @purism

@mike Interesting. This very thing has been getting to me lately. I thought I was kind of alone in this. The lack of respect or value for the boundaries of the individual in this current age is astounding to me. Its like a mass delusion of short sightedness. Im going to start with the Librem 5 and see what I can do with that...

@artyr3
Or consider breathing new life into a handset with #LineageOS.
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@mike
A free pass indeed: making out that #Google only track people to the ends of the earth because it's the only way they can give people nice free apps. The opposite is true. Those apps only exist to track people, and they still have the gall to claim they care about users' #privacy.

@mike

If you like android, but don't want google malarkey, the fairphone 2 is still a nice phone and there's a manufacturer-supported non-google android out for it.

@mike To be the biggest online advertising monopoly in the world, you shouldn't be selling/sharing data with other advertisers.That's just strategy, not some kind of user-respecting or benevolent behavior.

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