I'm so tired of Windows. Unfortunately at work, I'm not able to run Linux on my desktop. I'm thinking seriously about asking for an Apple computer next time, but I'm really torn. I'm NOT a fan of Apple. They annoy me on a visceral level. I can't decide if putting up with Apple is a better path than putting up with Microsoft. Neither is a good option in my mind. Maybe I'm just short tempered today because it's Monday?

@mike out of curiosity, why Apple annoys you if you can tell

@spla SO many reasons. Their insistence on having giant logos on their stuff. The general corporate attitude (inherited by many of its users). The constant need to buck standards in both hardware and software. I couldn't come close to describing all the ways.

@mike well, their macbooks run very well and reliable. And they have the console where one can enjoy linux commands.

I'm not a friend of Apple too, but I would prefer Apple because it just works and has a real console 🤷‍♂️

@mike For me, Apple is that good middle-ground of “I want a true Unix, but I don’t want to shave yaks all day to do tasks that my desktop environment should make easy for me.”

@joseph That's a solution for home (if I ran Windows at home), but not really plausible at work.

@mike Have you thought about booting Linux from a persistent USB drive?

@DistroJunkie Yea, and I've tried it, but they do something with their wireless here that I haven't been able to figure out. I just can't get it to connect to the corporate wireless. I can get it on the Guess wireless, but that doesn't give me access to the internal network. I haven't spent a TON of time on it because I have work to do, but unsuccessful so far.

@mike @DistroJunkie do you know what EAP method they are using? If it is PEAP or TTLS you would need to have the CA public key to connect as you'd need to trust it.

If they are doing EAP-TLS depending on how they are storing the machine keys you might be able to export them and import them on Linux. Now if they are using the TPM and you can see/access it from Linux could be easier, but if not your SoL on that option.

@darrel According to the Windows box I have (that's been annoying me endlessly), it's PEAP and it's authenticating with EAP-MSCHAP v2. It's my guess that this is the part that's hosing me up.


@mike @DistroJunkie That is easy then. All you need to do is extract the associated CA bundle for the connection from the keystore and either import it on the system store in Linux or specify the CA file in NetworkManager. As long as there is no NAC that is all the more you'd need to do.

@darrel I'm glad it's easy, because I have no idea how to do that. Is there a FAQ or HowTo you can recommend?


@mike @DistroJunkie I'll see if I can find one, I haven't touched a Windows box in a number of years. It might also be possible to tell NetworkManager to accept any presented CA, but that presents some risk.

@dpreacher Yep, but even trying to emulate the settings on my laptop doesn't work.


@dpreacher No, unfortunately I haven't had the time to have my work computer shutdown and offline today so I can work on it. Based on the number of people casually dropping by, I doubt I'm going to today.


@mike @dpreacher Don't you hate it when work gets in the way of things you want to accomplish?

@mike @DistroJunkie I'm not much into hating. makes me sick. I try to avoid such situations. 😛

@mike I'd pick Apple over Windows any day. At least it has some of the UNIX command compatibility. And you don't have to put up with Putty.

@mike Maybe just ask often enough and they'll allow Linux? But I know that, I also have to use Windows at work.

@mike Ask for Debian. If they can't set that up, ask for Ubuntu. If not, Arch. If not, BSD. If not, Red hat. If not, pure GNU. Give them loads of options, but let them know that Windows and macOS are both useless and significantly harm your productivity.

That's got about a third of a chance of working, I reckon.

I already gave my 2 weeks notice for less than that. 😂

@mike used virtual machine with on top of a windows machine for a few years in the same situation

@przemo Yea, the computer is already super slow, and that only solves some of the frustrations. Still, tempting.

@mike OK, that might not work. I had (back then) a top class CAD station.

@mike macOS will very likely frustrate you less than Windows. If I'd have to choose between them again without Linux bring an option, I'd always go with a Mac.

I've said it before to my manager, if he suddenly was told that he couldnt let me do my job on Linux any more he'd have to buy me a mac.

It would irk me, but probably slightly less than Windows. At least it's unix-like

@mike At least on a (otherwise overpriced) Mac with Terminal and HomeBrew you are able to run most of the programs you love on Linux.

@mike Can you run VirtualBox and run Linux inside that?

@jtgd Yea, I could do that, but it wouldn't solve all the issues with Windows. It would just mask them behind a more congenial and capable OS.

@mike Or you could do it the other way around, install Linux and run Window in VB. Depends on if you are required by employer to have Windows on the hardware. I always found Windows unbearable without at least Cygwin.

@mike If you got the option then it might be worth going for mac, especially if you spend a lot of time in the commandline, im sick of having to use putty to ssh places and being tied down to the archaic and unpredictable update system.

@enos_666 I do spend a lot of time at the command line. Right now, I have 3 apps open. Vivaldi, Outlook, and PuTTY. That's probably all I'll open today. Maybe Filezilla. I'm pretty much in a browser or in a terminal. Funny enough, that's pretty much what's open on my personal computer too. Just replace Outlook with Rhythmbox and PuTTY with Tilix, and we're there.

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