@mdrights which one do you like more for a desktop? I'm just starting out in FreeBSD, but heard around that OpenBSD is better suited on a Desktop.

@kzimmermann ha thanks for asking.

Actually I didn’t hear a saying about “openbsd is better for a desktop”.

Conversely, has many mature settings (or say, wrappers, LOL) for a desktop user for making a day2day usage easier.

, while being no question for desktop usage, its main advantage is its rock-solid secure internet-faced services. So better for e.g. web server, dns server, etc.

@kzimmermann Just these days , take a instance, I found ’s pkg and portsnap commands are more considerate....than other and even . I don’t mean I don’t like other BSD, while the latter are more geek-like that e.g. needs you to type cvs commands to update your ports. So you see... 😂

@kzimmermann Really! Interesting! I've been at a FreeBSD desktop since I retired my BeBox as my primary machine, so like... a while. I guess I've had an unexamined assumption the whole time that the other BSDs (except Dragonfly) would have a worse desktop experience. "What a silly bunt!" I'll watch for your future impressions with interest.

@mike well, having never used either of them in my desktop, properly I really have no say in this, but this thread has got me interested in digging deeper:

ioc.exchange/@qwxlea/105797687

@kzimmermann I read that as, "Like FreeBSD, OpenBSD also sucks on the desktop, but at least you get something for it."

@mike ohh, I see, maybe I should've phraesd it a little better.

Truth is I'm curious to trying both OSes as my desktop when I get some time. FreeBSD already proved to be quite good on the console (haven't ventured in GUI yet), so I wonder how OpenBSD is. 👍

@kzimmermann @mike FreeBSD is great as a desktop OS, but it takes some work to get it set up (not much, but some). You also have NVIDIA support with their proprietary driver if you have a NVIDIA card. OpenBSD will work out of the box as a desktop OS since it comes with Xenocara is you install that set, assuming you're OK with FVWM. That said, you can always install another window manager or DE using pkg_add. However, no NVIDIA support so AMD or Intel would be the way to go GPU-wise.

@claudiom @kzimmermann The only problem I ever have in BSD-land is support for consumer hardware. Which any Linux user can relate to, it's just worse. Can't use advanced GPU features for computation. A nightmare on any laptop. RPi is meh. But as a cloud instance or a VPS or something, I won't use anything else. I even have a couple Linux jails hosted on FreeBSD.

@mike @kzimmermann I do agree that as a server solution, BSD is rock solid.

@kzimmermann I find that all BSDs share the feature that you can always easily understand what is going on under the hood; there is no hood. If that's your main interest, simpler is better, and OpenBSD needs to be as simple as possible to reduce attack surfaces.

@mike that is true! I find that in FreeBSD the documentation and configuration are both straightforward and practical - it almost encourages you to keep trying and seeing what you can do

@mike @kzimmermann i'm currently giving OpenBSD it's "day in court" for this very reason. I had set up a somewhat complex (and possibly brittle? i was going to have to test more than usual to find out) system for a new linux server and reading some OpenBSD post made me think "what if i drastically reduced the complexity here?". I'm liking it very much so far. It's used less often by people so there are already some compat/support issues, but hopefully they can be resolved.
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