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I like and I enjoy being a developer and package maintainer. The distro offers incredible flexibility to configure your system in any way you like.

But I really wish that didn't attract complete nutters who want to run Linux with mostly modern software but e.g. don't want udev on their systems.

(Similar situations arise with dbus, rust, etc., to say nothing of systemd)

mattst88 :gentoo:

Fine, you want to run built with clang and link-time optimization; linked with mold; using musl libc, libressl, slibtool; maximum hardened CFLAGS; SELinux; all on an aarch64 system runnning in big-endian mode. But please, just use udev.

@mattst88 *shrug* mdev works fine on my servers, but I'd absolutely not expect it to work out of the box on desktops.
Also when it's likely due to my unusual stuff, I tend to consider that the bug is on me.

Also reminds me of https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html

@lanodan But why? What's the advantage of using mdev?

@mattst88 To be fair, there was a time when udev pulled in systemd or parts thereof. I can understand people not liking that. #gentoo devs did a great job in disentangling udev.

@radon: udev in Gentoo is now just `sys-apps/systemd-utils[udev]`, which freaks some people out.

Even before that, it was just built from the systemd tarball...

And eudev was an embarrassment from beginning to end.

@radon @mattst88 they did a great job. Love it without systemd