I've finally internalized the fact that it doesn't matter what DE/WM/editor/tool you use. Every piece of comes with its trade-offs and peoples tastes & needs will naturally differ.

Often I find myself swayed by popular new software and feel the urge to make major changes to my work-flow for eventual small 'productivity gains' that I end up reversing.

There's a certain sense of tranquillity in accepting & respecting each others preferences without fighting about which tool is better.

@marvka i usually judge them more by the class of tool than which specific one. or as i used to say it "emacs or vim, as long as its one."

which more had to do with a statement about people who customized their tools versus using them off the rack.

which itself mostly has to do with trying to indirectly infer the ingenuity of said developer based on if they look for ways to tweak the way they work on things to fix gaps in their own workflow or if they just slog through for hours every time.
@marvka so if they choose a tool because its easy and their approach to work is to just work harder, i don't respect them as much. if they choose their tool because they actually bothered to master it and it lets them work fluidly, then i do.

@marvka No, sure, I don't care what you use, as long as you don't spread lies about the thing I use :) I'm trying to spread a positive message, and awareness about tiling wms because they are often demonized, or said that they aren't user friendly and so on. That being said if you're happy with what you're using by all means use that :) I'm just very happy and exited about the thing that I kind of built up with lego blocks, and it works great *for me* :)

@sotolf I do enjoy reading about and seeing your pretty bspwm setup! 😁

@marvka Yeah, I'm trying to live up to the "you'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar" saying ;) It's better to get people interested in something because they see it as interesting rather than trying to guilt people into it. If you're only trying something out because people are preassuring you to it you're bound to have a less than good experience with it. I have used only a couple of window managers I actively dislike, but I try to shut up about that :p

@marvka Also secondly, a lot of the editor "war" is tongue in cheek, and most vim/emacs guys have now united against vs-code and other newer editors :p that being said, I do find almost everything written with electron to be a waste, it's sad that now in these times a machines that is many times stronger than the x386 computer I used to use, runs programs slower than that one used to :/

@marvka definitely! I have made peace with ethical problems with some tools while also seeing that it solves problems for a *lot* of people. Perfection is the enemy.

@marvka I switched to vscode since that is what I recommend to newbies. But then switched back to DOOM emacs since it's important to have alternatives.

@marvka I don't know what you use, but I don't have to make any compromises or trade-offs at all. :)

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@marvka quoting myself (i sure do that a lot):

While I love [vim] and use it incessantly, I never recommend it to someone unless they’re already interested in learning vim. If people ask me what editor I recommend, I first always ask what they’re looking for. Small edits on the command line? nano (I can’t bring myself to recommend ed for a “casual user” even though I use it for small edits myself). Want a fully graphical editor? VS Code OSS or Atom. If, and only if, do I know that 1) they’re willing to put up with the hassle of being really slow for months before getting proficient at vim; and 2) they already know about it and were interested in learning it before asking me; would I recommend vim for somebody. I also don’t hold a grudge just because somebody uses a different editor, or tried vim and decided to use something else. I’ve tried a lot and only vim has been right for me, why couldn’t it be the inverse for somebody else? I recommended vim to somebody and they didn’t like it but loved emacs instead, and I was just happy that they’d found something they like, and they have very valid reasons for liking one over the other. Stuff that’s important to me is relatively unimportant to them, and stuff that’s important to them is relatively unimportant to me, so of course we’re going to use different things.

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