@jonn there's nothing you can do really. perhaps if one becomes a serious competitor we can go after them with the AGPL but otherwise i just ignore them other than a bit of fun on social. there's more important stuff to do. and there's way too many copycats because we're transparent about our success/open source. doubt many of them will survive past the domain name expiration date. i just hope they don't trick too many people into signing up doing this stuff
@markosaric interesting. Maybe we should make and popularise tineye service where you upload a bit of code and it finds where it likely originated from?.. I can probably write something like this reasonably quickly after I'm done with #doauth prototype.
It would also help to detect #shitcoins and *Cough-cough-*nese software forks (like ones that #erlyvideo suffered from). I may or may not have had an experience being contracted by a #shitcoin #copycat company which ended up with my team saying "it's a poor copy of an old Ethereum version, we can't do anything because it is unclear what is the project".
@jonn could be interesting if it scans the web and sends a notification when it finds something. i discover these copycats mostly as they try to promote themselves to people that talk about Plausible etc
Start a food shop, same. A one man business as a painter, same. Want to grow you pizza place? Start a chain by buying one of the others
In my opinion there's easily room in Europe for 100 analytic companies being alternatives to Google
A pizza place is not a copycat, they just sell the same thing
@JohanEmpa @markosaric in this case they *clearly* resell OSIP, likely poorly deployed, which--in your slightly fallacious analogy--would be an equivalent of reselling old pizza dough following exact same recipe, cooked in a cheap oven in a shed that was never visited by a food safety inspector.
But I would like to break the discourse free from "you wouldn't download a car" or "you would download a car" modality. We're dealing with completely different things here that don't quite translate well to "real" businesses.
Take LinkedIn, immediately a competitor started Xing. Facebook had like 100 competitors doing the same thing before Facebook - but they marketed and PRd the shit out of it and became a monopoly. Lunarstorm was big in Sweden before Facebook killed it. Even now there's vkontakte and others.
@JohanEmpa @jonn this is not about competition. if they can do stuff better than us and get everyone to remove GA, then that's perfect and i welcome it. this is about them stealing our code, our product, our words... it happens very often and i assume it's because we're very transparent in what we do and what results we've achieved. not sure how much this copycat is an issue for proprietary companies
@JohanEmpa @jonn if they keep it agpl and open source what they do, i wouldn't mention them. again i'm not against competition or people using the licences the way they are intended. i'm against those that don't. but also i'm not too bothered to actually start some action against them. just having a bit of fun in social
"If it's open source it's open source", that's not how licenses and IP work, at least according to my lawyers.
I'm just yeeting everything under WTFPL to separate brand and code and also to make sure that it's a PITA for big corporate to use anything I make (in the most ironic fashion possible).
Plausible was MIT before if I remember correct and then companies could legally copy the code and do pretty much whatever. Now it's aGPLv3 and that allow commercial use of the code as long as they follow the rule of the licence
Unless I'm missing something in the particular case, Plausible's license allow competitors to use their code
Marko spoke about copycats, but the licence allow copying the code. A way to protect against that would of course be full old school proprietary.
A company that gives away open source code can't be whining when competitors use that code (according to the licence)
But there seems to be companies doing it intentionally wrong.
Just build the product, market and sell in your chosen way. Do your own thing and focus on building your business. Set your own strategy.
But of course some businesses strive for maximum growth to win the market and become a monopoly (see Big Tech) it's not necessarily good, but anyone can try it if they want.
@wizzwizz4 the thing is it's easy to create a website but it's really difficult getting the word out and gaining the trust of people so it's not worth it because of all the resources it would take to do anything in my opinion. if one actually tricks way too many people doing this, we'd probably look into some action against them...
@markosaric I meant more “you're in violation of XYZ whatever, and we would like you stop”, and maybe (if and when it exists) link them to the Getting Started with Modifying Plausible guide.
@wizzwizz4 we may do something like that in the future when we have more resources. right now i prefer to do with more impactful things rather than get into discussions with people who will do things like this
@markosaric Must mean you are doing something right. Feel flattered, then ignore and stay focused. ☺️
Plus multilanguaging is good for your brand. So what if someone copied something. If they can helpreach a wider audience than your then it will be beneficial for you as your stuff can reach more people. Think of it as spreading your happiness to the world
@XxAlexXx i'm happy with people getting inspired by our success and would be amazing if some competitor can get everyone to remove GA... but i do find it weird to "sell" ethical alternative to GA by stealing the work of other people. not something i can defend or go along with
If they are copying the exact same thing and selling it yes that is somewhat a problem. But if they are bringing more features and adding their own spice to the software, it would reach the people that like that part of that software. This is how FOSS works. One man makes a software. Another man pciks the torch up and add their special featuree on that software to make it more amazing. That is why FOSS stuff is getting better.
@XxAlexXx this was not foss software and they're not bringing anything new to the table, that's my point. they're simply opportunists trying to take advantage
@markosaric Then it just boils down to preference. If someone just copied your work, feel flattered and move on. Make your product more preferrable to the audience.
Isn't it their rights given that plausible is under the AGPL?
I guess the trademark is protected, but as long as they release their modifications as AGPL and don't abuse the trademark it should be fine right?
@dreeg yes but i haven't seen any one yet that was open source and that was agpl. they normally take some "inspiration" from us and release a proprietary product
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