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@corbet @axboe @ljs @brauner

Right or wrong, the feeling I got was that the bar for actions was just raised higher. Now it's not just the CoC committee, you also need a near unanimous vote from the TAB.

lore.kernel.org/workflows/87h6

lore.kernel.orgRe: [PATCH] Documentation/CoC: Spell out the TAB role in enforcement decisions - Jani Nikula

@jani @corbet @ljs @brauner I'm a bit disillusioned at the whole CoC thing - in practice, there are zero repercussions from being a jerk. Banning people from being archived/listed by lore does not prevent them from doing their work, people equating those two things are kidding themselves. Developers getting CC'ed directly generally have no idea the person is banned, and any reply will presumably be archived/listed anyway.

@axboe @jani @corbet @brauner well you might get asked to apologise (no consequences if you refuse)? And get implicit permission to turn up to LF events you're not invited to and abuse people?

Then wait a month to treat the RC process like the merge window again or something?

That's sort of a repercussion right? 🤣

It's all a joke. Kent was the test. Failed.

@ljs @jani @corbet @brauner It does reek of virtue signaling, unfortunately. That's probably not the intent, but in practice it's unfortunately useless.

@axboe @jani @corbet @brauner worse than useless, encourages people to be an asshole imo.

@ljs @jani @corbet @brauner I don't know if it encourages people, but I'm sure some people are tempted to test boundaries (like toddlers...) exactly because there are no practical concerns with doing so. Outside of looking like an idiot online.

@axboe @jani @corbet @brauner Yeah it's only _certain_ kinds of people who will be encouraged.

What infuriated me most about that whole thing was that Kent got to dictate the narrative.

Reality was his broken mm patch was nacked, he threw a temper tantrum and abused the kernel process to take the patch through his tree (outrageous, banning offence stuff imo), and then when it was fixed he got abusive.

His 5,000 word bullshit on patreon + on-list warbling is what people took as the narrative.

@ljs @jani @corbet @brauner Well, as far as I can tell, he might be doing that exact same thing again. His -next branch:

evilpiepirate.org/git/bcachefs

has a block patch that he sent out to linux-block, got effectively nak'ed as being broken by multiple people, ignored, and then sent out as part of a larger bcachefs patchset and is now staged in the above branch?

evilpiepirate.orgbcachefs.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.

@axboe @ljs @jani @corbet @brauner if it's breaking -next guess you'll have to ask Stephen to drop bcachefs tree. Also watch out for PR to Linus and reply immediately pointing out there's a nacked/broken commit, and hope for the best. Ideal eh?

Lorenzo of modest stature

@axboe @vbabka @jani @corbet @brauner ugh man I feel for you having to deal with that shit.

He's so totally dishonest and patronising, it really drives me crazy.

How can you possibly reframe sneaking core changes in via your tree as ok?

It's really insane, I guess ping Linus when he sends the PR.

@ljs @vbabka @jani @corbet @brauner I already CC'ed Linus in that thread so he's aware of it. I'm done replying, nothing good will come of prolonging it.

@axboe @vbabka @jani @corbet @brauner yeah agreed, I don't think engaging with somebody in bad faith is worthwhile.

You've made your position clear, that's the end of it.