The web scam known as Brave browser gets caught, again, doing shady stuff. This time they stuff their affiliate links/code into your searches and URLs so that Brave makes money each time you visit certain sites.
People need to stop using Brave. It's a bad faith actor in the browser market. At this point even Chrome would be preferable.
@kungtotte @hund I guess it's a bit like shooting the messenger, but would you have an alternative browser to recommend for an older Android telephone? I've tried Chrome and Firefox, and they both piss me off after a while, so I kept going back and forth between them every few years. This last time, when Firefox was crashing more often than not, I switched to Brave to give it a try. So I guess I'm now looking for something that is none of those.
@eviloatmeal @kungtotte @email@example.com Have you tried Privacy Browser?
But I'm not a huge fan of the claim that their primary goal is privacy. I would like a browser whose primary goal is rendering web pages.
I feel that privacy, while important, should not take complete precedence over the intended purpose of the application. If "not leaking information to a website" was more important to me than seeing the website, then I would not need a browser at all to accomplish that.
@eviloatmeal @hund @kungtotte @hund first of all you shouldn't turn off everithing , do it when you have to.
privacy browser is more like a secondery fast browser that I use mostly to read articles and browse the internet without lots of ads, faster, and more secure.
it isn't for watching youtube videos, you could use newpipe for that, it is great for that!
@techit @hund @kungtotte @hund For better or for worse, the web isn't just plaintext with font tags and horizontal rules anymore. I'm a proponent of the idea of steering the web toward a more minimal, pragmatic medium as much as anyone. But just like I'm in favor of destroying all cars, even though they are necessary in this car-centric world we have built, a working browser is necessary on this multimedia-centric web we have built.
I don't have anything against Firefox, it was just not working well on my device the last time I tried, and I can't imagine it will be any better the more it moves forward and the older my device becomes.
@OldTinfoil @techit @hund @kungtotte @hund I doubt your users will feel alienated if you remove tracking and analytics from your site. The only difference they will experience is that the site loads faster, and they get fewer creepily-targeted advertisements in the future.
@hund @techit @kungtotte @hund Probably. But I don't know if it's worth investing my time and your effort to comb through all the possibilities just to figure out if that is the case, or if it's not going to work.
Some things are fun to tinker with, some things I just want them to do what they are supposed to, and not worry about how or why.
A browser, much like a toaster, I have no desire to stick a fork into.
@kev @kungtotte There's a big difference between getting paid for including a search engine by default in an honest matter and making money of users by hijacking their traffic without their consent and then trying to cover it up by deleting users comments when they where caught.
And no, I don't like Firefox either, so no bias here. :)
There are no privacy implications by Brave doing this, and it’s a simple way to support the browser. I still see little difference between this and FF search revenue.
@kev @hund I'm not concerned with privacy so much in this case, more the scummy business practices. Getting paid to have Google as the first choice in a drop-down is transparent and built to be configurable from the start. Users see where their searches end up and they can opt out immediately should they want to.
Here, Brave try to sneak their referral ID under the noses of their users with no way of opting out. Once caught they will add opt-out... 1/n
@kev @hund ... But it takes time to implement and then even more time to roll out to all Brave users. In the meantime they can keep making money in this way. FF had a search engine drop-down from day 1.
It's also not the first time Brave are shady like this. They replaced people's ads with their own BAT ad things, supposedly gathering money that content creators were to receive only those creators saw none of that coin unless *they* took the initiative in registering with Brave. 2/n
@kev @hund None of which was preceded with any kind of notice from Brave. It was up to these people to find out for themselves, no email, no nothing. IIRC, the money was also forfeit after a certain amount of time if nobody claimed it, but I'm not sure of that last part.
Once this was found out, Eich promised to change and behave better, policy changes were implemented etc. That's shady business practices and if Microsoft or Google did it we'd burn them in the streets.
They mine all of your data so they can sell more ads, but they're entirely upfront about it. Their EULAs all say that they hoover up every bit of data, they say they scan your Gmail account, and if you're OK with that then go ahead and use their products.
There's no sneaking anything under the radar until they get caught and then fixing it afterwards.
I wouldn't be surprised if Brave sneaks a crypto-miner in next...
There’s a lot to say about this. I think I might jot my thoughts down in a longer form.
TL;DR though - I can see why people are pissed, but some are spreading misinformation like they’re tracking us, or that it’s DNS spoofing/poisoning. Neither of which is true.
I really enjoy these interactions.
If they were to gain a serious browser market share, it seems like they'd do even worse things than what Google / Chrome does now, or what Microsoft / IE did back in the day: Trying to control the web and funnel everyone into an ecosystem.
If you could speak to that point in a blog post, I'd be very interested.
@kungtotte @kev @hund let's not forget that Google was one of the primary supporters Firefox for years and even had people on their board of directors and that also Firefox was directly mentioned by the Vault 7 leak as actively working with the CIA and NSA, whereas Chrome was mentioned in those documents as resisting the govt's actions.
I've been reading that leak very meticulously. It doesn't mean that Chrome is safe, but I won't ever use Firefox.
Don’t use those other open source browsers with all that telemetry. They can’t be trusted!
Instead, use our browser, which is closed source, but uh, we totally don’t heheh do any telemetry heheh you can trust us heh
@kungtotte I don’t get why people keep using it either. Is Eich still a CEO at Brave? It’s sad if he’s letting the browser turn into this.
@kungtotte there are no GOOD actors in the browser market, other than niche foss projects
google owns your data, mozilla sells it to adzerk unless you or your software distribution goes to the trouble of disabling/stripping pocket functionality (which requires about:config tweaks, iirc), a bunch of smaller vendors use revenue-generating search engines by default, etc.
@kungtotte Ioaded that POS a few years ago and found it to be near unusable. Total garbage that choked on even simple web pages.
@kungtotte yeah what's up with everyone using it for the adblocker? Just slapping ublock onto firefox works just as well. There's also firefox focus for mobile which is open source.
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